Umar

July 20, 2012 at 6:10 PM

This is not true....He didn't love them...Uthman he named his son cause of his brother Uthman

in our Shi'a text Munthee'ala Mahal Volume 1 under the Chapter "Shahadth" - we read the testimony of Imam 'Ali that he named one of his sons Uthman because on the day he was born he stated:

"I shall name this child after my brother Uthman bin Nat'eoon".

This is why the name Uthman was kept by Imam 'Ali it does not prove Uthman bin Affan's merit, not even in the slightest.

With regards to Imam 'Ali (as)'s son Umar, we should point out that one of Imam 'Ali close Sahaba was Umar the son of Umm'ul momineen Salma . Umar was brought up by Rasulullah (s) and he fought alongside Imam 'Ali at Jamal, and was in fact one of his commanders during that battle. During his reign Imam 'Ali appointed him as Governor over Bahrain and Faris. To prove our point we suggest our opponents consult Asada al Ghaybah Volume 4 page 134 under the letter "Ayn". We assert that Imam 'Ali named his son Umar after this great faithful commander. We are fully aware that the Nasibi will advance some Sunni text claiming that Imam 'Ali named his son Umar after the second khalifa - but an Ahl'ul Sunnah work can not be advanced as evidence to convince us.

November 25, 2012 at 7:12 AM

AGAR NAAM HAZRAT ALI R.A NE APNE SONS K RAKHE THAY TO AP BHI RAKHO NA.JHOOT K PAO NAHI HOTE.HAZRAT ALI R.A KHULFA E SALASA SE BOHAT MUHABBAT KRTE THAY TUM RAFZI LOG KA DEEN HI JHOT PAR MABNI HAI

Abu Talha says:

November 26, 2012 at 6:33 AM

BHAIJAAN,
AAP NE UPAR KA ARTICLE NAHI PADHA? NAAM KHARAB NAHI HAI. LOG KHARAB HAI. AAP APNE BETE KA NAAM YAZID RAKH LIJIYE. KISNE AAP KO MANA KIYA HAI? AAKHIR YAZID BHI TO AAPKE KHALIFA MUAWIYA KA BETA THA.

November 26, 2012 at 6:37 AM

Dear Mr. Anonymous,
Have u really read the matter in the post before commenting??
Can u proved from history that Imam Ali(as) was impressed by Umar and Co., that is why he kept his sons names Umar????
We have replied in length the reason?
Still you r licking the same thing which ur ancestors have vomited.
U r calling us liar though all the references used in this site r from ur books. Say at least few words about them who had included these things in their books.
If Shias are wrong then those people from Sunni faith are equally wrong who had written these things in their reputed books.
Tell me u fool why u dont u keep ur son's name on YAZID(la)-who was one of the Caliph of Banu Ummaya.
Why u dont keep ur children name as Abu Jahl and Abu Lahab??
Shias have stopped keeping the names on Umar, Abu Bakr and Uthman because these names have now become associated with these Caliphs whom Shias do not consider worthy of Caliphate.
Yazid, Umar , Abu Bakr & Uthman were common names in earlier time and were not associated with these people specifically.
Even names of some companions of Imam Husain were Yazid.
Still we shia do not keep this name. Have u understood now!!

Syed says:

January 16, 2013 at 5:56 AM

Mr Anonymous is really very very Funny.I wonder HOW MAULA ALI could Love the People, for whom BiBi Zahra Rose her hands to curse them.......

January 31, 2013 at 5:21 PM

First thing, MAULA = Madadgaar = ONLY ALLAH.
Surah Aal-e-Imran, Ayah Number 150. Go and read it.

Don't insult Khulfa because they were Companions of our beloved Prophet Mohammad (PEACE BE UPON HIM). Doesn't matter who had good or bad character, it is our duty to respect them. We can't just go on and start ABUSING them? Think about it. The thing is, if Shias keep abusing Khulfa then the day will come when Sunni's will start abusing Hazrat Ali and that is extremely wrong. Please stop all this because "ABUSING" or "CURSING" anyone other than SHAITAN himself is strictly forbidden in Islam.

Abu Talha says:

February 1, 2013 at 9:31 PM

About cursing please read this :
http://lanatinislam.blogspot.com

February 3, 2013 at 9:29 AM

If Maula means Allah as you said, Mr.Anonymous,then tell what does this famous hadith of Prophet(sawa) means: "Of Whomsoever I am the Maula this Ali is his Maula "
Shias have not given the title of Maula to Ali(as) .The title of Maula is given by Prophet(sawa) himself.
So it is the responsibility of every muslims ,shias and sunnis, to call Imam Ali(as) with this title as ordered by Holy Prophet(sawa).
You said we should not abuse Khulfa and companions of the Prophet(sawa).
So dear,listen here ,we do not abuse any Khulfa or companions because of their relation with the Prophet(sawa). Nay never and it is strictly prohibited to abuse anybody.

But if Allah has cursed some companions of Prophet(sawa) in Quran because of their attitude towards Prophet(sawa) then what is our responsibility, should we cursed those people who r cursed by Allah or not?????

Read this....
Those who turned to disbelief after believing

‘How shall Allah guide a people who disbelieved after their believing and (after) they had borne witness that the Apostle was true and clear arguments had come to them; and Allah does not guide the unjust people. (As for) these, their reward is that upon them is the curse of Allah and the angels and of men, all together.’
(Surah Ale Imran, 3:86-87)
Accusing Chaste Women
‘And the fifth (time) that the curse of Allah be on him if he is one of the liars.’
(Surah Noor, 24:7)

‘Surely those who accuse chaste believing women, unaware (of the evil), are cursed in this world and the hereafter, and they shall have a grievous chastisement.’
(Surah Noor, 24:23)
Breakers of the Covenant
‘And those who break the covenant of Allah after its confirmation and cut asunder that which Allah has ordered to be joined and make mischief in the land; (as for) those, upon them shall be curse and they shall have the evil (issue) of the abode.’
(Surah Raad, 13:25)
One who forges a lie against Allah
‘And who is more unjust than he who forges a lie against Allah? These shall be brought before their Lord, and the witnesses shall say: These are they who lied against their Lord. Now surely the curse of Allah is on the unjust.’
(Surah Hud, 11:18)
One who conceals the clear proofs of Allah
‘Surely those who conceal the clear proofs and the guidance that We revealed after We made it clear in the Book for men, these it is whom Allah shall curse, and those who curse shall curse them (too).’
(Surah Baqarah, 2:159)
Unfortunately some of the companions were involved in these crimes( for eg Umar and Abu BAkr)

February 18, 2013 at 3:44 AM

Dear sunni brother

munafiq kar ke bhi bandah hota hai jo aise to musalman hota hai par dil me kina liye baitha hua hota hai islam ke liye ya Prophet(sawa)..to mera keh ne ka matlab ye hai ki sahaba bhi munafiq ho sakta hai.....or munafiq pe lannat kar sakte hai...

Abu Talha says:

February 25, 2013 at 8:11 AM

Dear Brother in Islam,

We are not here to ABUSE Mr. Umar. Please try to understand. We are trying to prove you some things from History and Logic. We have never ever used any abusive language for Mr. Umar or any other Sahaba. And we don't want to do that.

It is our right and a characteristic of scholarly person to study history and life of every Sahaba. This study is not like the Study of Jewish Holocaust that it is forbidden and fact-finding prohibited and punishable. If you have something to say regarding the above post, please do write, lets discuss in a civilized manner.

November 2, 2013 at 5:13 AM

ap nay Hazrat Ali(r.a) ko aam logon say mila dia k aam log apna nam filana filana q rakhtay hain...a/c to shias Hazrat Ali(r.a) has knowledge of unforeseen then y didnt Hazrat Ali(r.a) named there kids after some one else....did Hazrat Ali(r.a) wanted a confusion??

November 17, 2013 at 9:44 AM

Mr. Ayaz Mehmood,
Aap ne lagta hai upar diya huwa post padha nahi aur comment kar diya.
Post me saaf saaf likha hai ke umar, abu bakr aur uthman naam us zamana me kaafi aam the !!!
Ab aap hame bataye tarikh ke kisi hawale se ke Ali (AS) ne apne beto ke naam in sahaba se impress ho kar rakhe hai

December 4, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Brother abdullah,

agar Sayidina Ali (as) ke zamane mein Abu Bakr, Omer , Uthman nam aam the tho aaj kal bhee aam hai lekin shia ampne Massum Imam (AS) ko follow naheen karna chathe. Sab se baree baat yeh hai ke challo mana ke aus waqt amm nam the liken Imam Askari (AS) jo Imam mehdi (AS) se pehle the uno nen thos apne aik hee beti ka nam Aisha rak kah. Ab ap keyah ka matlab key Imam Askari (AS) jo Allah talla ke guidance se chalthe aur har unka direction correct hotha hai keya woh naheen janthe the kee asa nam Shia naheen rakhthe keyon kai Aisha nam peh sare Shia lanet bejhen ge??????????? I am for keeping these names as they were kwpt by the massum Imams (AS). And the names they kept were the best of names as they were guided by Allah (SWT) and could not make mistakes.

December 4, 2013 at 9:02 AM

Bani Ummayah = Cursing on mimbar (worst Example to follow)
Ahle Bait = No cursing on mimbur (Best Example to Follow)

Shia = Cursing on mimbur
Sunni = No cursing on mimbur

Try and see if you can tell who is following Sunnat of Bani Ummayah nowadays and who is following sunnat of Ahle Bait?????????????

December 4, 2013 at 11:13 PM

Brother Anonymous,
Pehle to aap sahi tarikh ki raushni me saabit kijiye ke Imam Hasan Askari (AS) ne apni kisi beti ka naam Aisha Rakha tha.
Imam Hasan Askari(AS) ke eik hi aulad thi, aur wo Imam Mahdi (AS) hai.
Aap Hamara post dobara pardhiye. Naam me koi burayee nahi hai. Kyounki baad zamana me Umar , Uthaman,abu bakr naam in hazraat se maqsoos ho gaye. is liye shia hazraat ne ye naam rakhna tarq kar diya. Aur waise Imam Hasan Askari ke zamane tak ye naam rakhne ka riwaaj puri tarike se bandh nahi hua tha. Iski daleel ye hai ke Imam Mahdi ke ek Nayab ka naam bhi Uthman tha.

Baad me shiao ne ye naam rakhna bandh kar diya kyonki ye naam khaas pehle 3 calipha se maqsoos ho gaya jinke khilafat ko shia hazrat nahi maante.
Jis tarah aaj koi bhi musalmaan shia ho ya sunni apna bacche ka naam YAZID YA SHIMR nahi rakhta.Yazeed naam ibtedaye Islam me bahot Aam naam tha.Imam Hussain ke bhi kai ashaab ka naam Yazid tha. Baad me logo ne Yazid naam rakhna bandh kar diya.

December 4, 2013 at 11:25 PM

Mr.Anonymous.
Write the complete and correct formula
Bani Umayyah = Cursing Imam Ali(AS) on Mimber(worst Example to follow)

Shia = Praising Imam Ali(AS) on Mimber (Best Example to Follow)
Because : Zikr of Ali(AS) is Worship ( Sunni Reference )

Allah = Cursing Kafirs and Hypocrites in Quran
Mohammaed (SAWA) = cursing Bani Umayya in his Hadiths
Wahabis and Deviated Sunnis = Praising and sending blessing on Yazid(Bani Umayya ) (e.g. Zakir Naik and Taufeeeq ur Rehmaan etc.)
Shia = Cursing Yazid(Bani Umayya ) and all the people involved in killing Imam Hussain(AS)

NOW Try and see if you can tell who is following Sunnat of PROPHET(SAWA) nowadays and who is following sunnat of Bani Umayyah??????

Ali says:

July 20, 2014 at 3:53 AM

Simplyyy Gr88 Answer Mr Anonymous
July 20, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Ya Ali (a.s) Maddad

September 16, 2014 at 4:24 PM

jab hazrat umar aur hazrat usman aur hazrat abu bakar shiayo ke lihaz se sahi log nahi thay tu jab hazrat ali khalifa bane tu unki kabro ko ap sallaho alyhe wasallam ki qabar se kiyo nahi door kardiya hazrat ali bolte ye sab kafir hain inki qabro ko ukhar do shia bhai apke zakir matam kiyo nahi karte kiya ap se chote logo par matam ka hukum hai

September 24, 2014 at 2:45 AM

kya bakwaas kar rahe ho. tumhara matlab hai k hazrat ali(AS) , umar and abu bakr ke dafn ho jaane k baad unki qabro ko bismaar karte!!!!

Ye amal hazrat ali(AS) k shaan k khilaaf hai.

ye qabro ko bismaar karne ka kaam to aaj kal k wahabis/takfiri log karte hai jinhone saudi , syria aur iraq me bahot si muqaddas qabro ko tabah kar diya. jinme hazrat yunuf(AS) aur hazrat ayub(AS) ki Qabre bhi hai.

Doosre aitraaz ka jawab :
Hamare Shia Zakir matam bhi karte hai and nauha - girya bhi karte hai. shayad aapne kabhi shiao ko kareeb se nahi dekha warna ye objection nahi karte !!!

December 26, 2014 at 3:40 AM

Hazrat Ali has 09 wives from that he has 19 sons and eighteen daughters making total number of decedents as 37. Hazrat Ali never named their sons in the name of Omar, Abubakar and Othman. This is as per tradition of Arab that they always name their descendents or offspring with the names similar to their other family members.

[1].From Hazrat Fatema Bint Muhammad bin Abdullah , Hazrat Ali has three sons named Hasan, Husain and Mohsin.

[2]. From Umama bint e Ablaas , Hazrat Ali has one son named Muhammad Awsat.

[3].From Khaula bint e Jafar bin Qais e Hanafya , Hazrat Ali has one Son Muhammad b. Hanfiah.

[4]. From Asma bint e Umais , Hazrat Ali has two sons: Yahya and Oun

No son of Hazrat Ali with the name of Muhammad Asghar was from Asma mbin e Umais.

[5]. From Laila bint e Masud, Hazrat Ali has two sons, namely Ubaidullah and Muhammad Asghar.

No son with the name “Abu Bakr” was of Hazrat Ali was from Laila Bint e Masood.

[6]. Umm Saeed : Hazrat Ali has one son named Abdullah e Awsat

[7]. From Muhyat bint e Imra-ul-Qais Hazrat Ali has four sons : Humair e Aqrab, Abbas e Asghar, Muhammad Asghar and Ibraheem.

[8]. From Umme Shoaib the son of Hazrat Ali was Abdullah e Awsat.

No wife of Hazrat Ali with the name Umm Habib” exists. More over no son of Hazrat Ali with the name Umar from his any wife exists.

[9]. From Umm-ul-Bunian Hazrat Ali had four sons: Abbas, Abdullah, Jafar and Imran

No sons of Hazrat Ali with the name as Othman, and Umar exists.

December 27, 2014 at 11:03 AM

Bro Sunni Munafiq thanks for the share. Can u give us the source. Also admin of the page is requested to reaview the article written in the light of what Sunni Munafiq has told. Jazak Allah

sheraz ahmed says:

November 1, 2015 at 3:01 AM

mujhae tau yae samhaj nahe attaa ...jaab marae nabi kae daur mae sunni aur sheya nahe thae tau yae aab kaha sae agae.....yanae kae yae saab kuch huzur s.a.w kae baat bana hai ..no shia aur no sunni...hum saab sahaba R.A kau mantae hai.. keo kae hum quran kau mantae hai...

January 16, 2016 at 1:05 AM

To All Shias,

Why you don't name your sons YAZID? because you think he is killer of Ahle Bait? right? it does not matter if there are 100s of Good Yazids in the world today, IT DOES NOT MATTER, but as you think he was BAD, you don't name your sons YAZID.

Same is the case here, if there were thousands of good Umar, Abubakar, Usman, and God Forbid, according to Shia, if first 3 caliphs were wrong, then why did Hazrat Ali (RA) names his sons after THEM???? Why????

If they were wrong, Hazrat ali (RA) would never ever named his sons as Umar, Abubakar and Usman, in the same way people don't name their sons after Yazid, despite the fact 100s of Good people were at that time in the name of Yazid.

So stop fooling yourself, your BASELESS DEEN ends from this point, that Hazrat Ali (RA) names his sons after the love of Sahaba, it was YOU SHIAS who asked Ahlebait to come to Kufa and later killed them.

Who was grand grand father of Jafar Alsadique??? can some one tell me? he was First Caliph Abubakar, now denny this also???
You Shias are curse in Islam, Ahle Bait had no problem with each other and with Caliphs, it was you SHIAS, the misguided people who created this separate religions on TRUE LIES against Sahabas.

October 6, 2016 at 7:15 AM

oh... bahi ....
quran se refrence dene se pehlay ya to bataoo jab tum quran ko manty nahi ...
kehty ho quran men tehreef kar di gaye asal quran imam gayab k pass hai , to jo cheez asal na ho , galat ho to phir galat ko hujjat ya dalil kion banaty ho.

October 6, 2016 at 7:15 AM

October 13, 2016 at 3:13 AM

jhoto per khuda ki la-nat ho....koi shia quran ka inkaar nahi karta hai. Imam Gayab k pass jo quran hai wo yahi quran hai magar us quran ko maula ali ne jama kiya jise ummat ne nahi liya.. us quran me maula ne har ayat ka shaaane nuzool aur tafseer bhi ki thi...jo is quran me nahi hai...
magar iska matlab ye hargis nahi hai ki quran badal gaya hai ya aaayat kam ya zyada ho gayi hain.

Ahmed says:

June 6, 2017 at 3:48 AM

Assalamuailakum

We love and have great respect for Hazrat Ali R.A same as you. After all he was also loved By our Prophet, we can name our kids "ALI" mashaallah very strong person of his time.

Simple question why do you harm yourself... it we are not allowed to hurt oneslef no matter what! Never did the Prophet P.B.U.H ever hurt himself in the sorrow of losing his beloved children. I'm sure He loved Them more then you love Hazrat Ali (R.A). We sunni can never go against Ali (R.A), Never! As for the rest of the sahabas Abo Bakr, Umar, Uthman have great qualities that's why Allah chose them as The Prophet Muhammad P.B U.H Companions. Everyone close to the Prophet was of the best characters. The Prophet also told Hazrat Fatima if you love me you will love Hazrat Aisha (A.S). In the Quran it's stated the Wives of Our beloved Prophet are the Mother of the believers. For example the friends we hang out with will define us Right? Same way the People Our Prophet was with will define Him. How could He be so close to Abo Bakr that when he travelled he chose him? He prayed of Hazrat Uthman so much that the People left the prohet in ruku and came back in the morning found him in the same way except that his beard was socked with tears. He also gave not ome but two of his daughters to Uthman... and told him if i had 40 daughters I would get them married to you one after another dies. MASHAALLAH!
As for Umar R.A he was so strong in Iman that if the Shaitan saw him coming from one direction he would make a U- turn and change his direction! Mashaallah!

Forgive me I'm no scholar as I am have mistakes! But the little knowledge I'm sharing with you.

October 19, 2017 at 9:09 AM

Hazrat Maula e Kainat Ali RA was Nazi up qazza in the period of Hazrat Farooq e Azam RA.I don't want to write more detail my brothers written before me is enough over the names of Syeedana shakhain.RA and Uthman e Yani RA....if they were wrong nazozubillah How could shaid e khuda RA kept silent ...how the lion of Allah can do samjhota with nazobillah killers of Syeda e Kainat RA...??? He was king of wisdom and bravity ... TAKIA and etc are itself humiliation of Maula e kainat and door of illm...

open your herats don't follow your Nafas but Maula e Kainat's action....

munwwer says:

May 27, 2018 at 10:37 PM

ye bataou hazrat jafar sadiq (r.a) ke bari mai kia kehte ho.

October 9, 2019 at 5:53 AM

Ahle bait k dusmanoo pay lanat be sumaarrrrrrrrrrr

October 18, 2019 at 6:40 PM

You're absolutely right

June 16, 2020 at 12:55 AM

Acha agr esi baat hy to Hazrat Ali a.s ny yahi 3 nam q rakhy???esy to ur boht sy naam aam.thy arab mn??phir yahi 3 nam q?

Syed Salman Raza says:

October 10, 2020 at 11:29 PM

Riwayat
H. Abbas (as) ke bhai Usman ki paidaish ke baad Imam Ali (as) ne aap ka naam tajweez kar ke farmaya, "Maine iska naam 'Usman' apne quwwat e bazoo Usman bin Maz'oon ke naam par is liye rakha taaki unki yaad taaza rahe".
Fazaail al H. Abbas (as), p18