Muhammad Bin Saaib Al Kalbi narrates in his book (Al Salabah Fe Ma'rifat Al Sahabah) (3/212)... Nufayl was working for Kalb Bin Luayy Bin Ghalib AlQarshy and he (Kalb) died. His new master was Abdul Muttalib, Sahak was also working for Abdul Mutalib she was shepherd taking care of his sheep. He separated between them in the pasture and they agreed one day to meet in a rest home. Nufayl desired and loved her. Abdul Muttalib had made her put on pants of leather with a lock on and he kept its key with him to her status of him. When he (Nufayl) chased her she said: nothing from what you are saying is for me and he has made me put this leather and put a lock on it. He said: I can trick him, he took some butter from the sheep's buttermilk and smeared the leather and what is around it of her body with the butter till slipped down to her thighs. He did effect her and she got pregnant by him with Al Khattab. When she had given birth to him she threw him on some garbage during the night with fear of Abdul Muttalib. A Jewish woman named Jenazah picked up Al Khattab and raised him. When he grew up he used to cut wood and was named 'Al Hattab' the wood cutter. So with the letter 'Ha' but was distorted in the vocabulary. Sahak was faring him in secrecy, one day he saw her and her bottom was lowered. He didn't know who she was, he fell on her and she got pregnant by him with Hantamah. When she had given birth to her she threw her in the dumps outside of Makkah. Hisham Bin Magheer Bin Walid picked her up and raised her and she was attributed to him. When she grew up and Al Khattab frequently visited Hisham and he saw Hantamah and liked her. He asked Hisham if he could marry her and Hisham allowed her to marry him. She gave birth to Omar. Al Khattab was Omar's father because he and Hantamah got married and she gave birth to him. And at the same time his grandfather because he and Sahak got Hantamah. Al khattab and Hantamah are from the same mother Sahak.
And we summarize the lineage of Omar Bin Al Khattab as follows:
Nufayl + Sahak = Al Khattab
Al Khattab + Sahak = Hantamah
Al Khattab + Hantamah = Omar
We see that Hantamah is the mother and sister of Omar Bin Al Khattab i.e. she is the wife and the daughter of Al Khattab.
And Al Khattab is his father because he is Sahak's lover (i.e. who committed fornication with her) and her son at the same time. I.e. he is Omar's father and grandfather at the same time.
Sahak is his grandmother, mother of his father and the mistress of his father at the same time.
And we summarize the lineage of Omar Bin Al Khattab as follows:
Nufayl + Sahak = Al Khattab
Al Khattab + Sahak = Hantamah
Al Khattab + Hantamah = Omar
We see that Hantamah is the mother and sister of Omar Bin Al Khattab i.e. she is the wife and the daughter of Al Khattab.
And Al Khattab is his father because he is Sahak's lover (i.e. who committed fornication with her) and her son at the same time. I.e. he is Omar's father and grandfather at the same time.
Sahak is his grandmother, mother of his father and the mistress of his father at the same time.
Al Salabah Fe Ma'rifat Al Sahabah (3/212)
Ilzam Al Nawasib. By : Nurullah Zarihi.
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Saahak got together with Nufeyl and brought "Khattab"
Then Khattab with Saahak and brought "Hantamah"
And then Khattab with Hantamah they brough "Umar".
HANTAMAH:
She would be the mother of Umar and his sister (from one father: Khattab).
And his Untie Hantamah and Khattab from the same mother: Saahak, therefore considered as brother/sister, and she is also the daughter of Khattab from Saahak, and his sister from their mother Saahaak.
KHATTAB:
The father of Umar and his uncle(who is the brother of his mother Hantamah from Saahaak).
And also Khattab is Umar's grandfather because he is teh father of his mother Hantamah who brought him from Saahaak.
We conclude from all that:
- Khattab married(or got together) with his sister and brought Umar.
- Khattab married his daughter and brought Umar.
- Khattab is the father of Umar, his Uncle, and Grandfather.
- Hantamah is Umar's mother, his untie, and sister.
Umar can call his father: baba, uncle, and grandfather.
Umar can call his mother: mama, sister, and Untie.
(Three in one - ya Shampoo with conditioner lol )
It is confusing ha
La-ilaha-il-(A)llah . . .
This shows that umar was khandani Harami. . . . :)
Please cite some more references
jazak ALLAH :)
Stop attacking Umar. Or you might end up in Hell Fire.
Who is attacking umar? Infact it was Umar who attacked the household of Prophet Mohammed (s.). This is Umar who is responsible for all the wrong the muslims are committing and all the wrong that is being committed to muslims.
If you have his true and authentic Lineage. Please contribute, I will add that here.
You are the combination of Christians and Jews in one, you do believe in one god, that is clear, but you are lost and insulting to the Prophet pbuh, how far have you gone to insult Omar, I honestly can't call you Muslims with the way you have drifted away from Islam.
You stop supporting Umar or you may end in Hell Fire.
We are muslims and we love those who love Holy Prophet(s.a.w) and we hate those who hate Holy Prophet(s.a.w)and his Pure family.We dont talk in air. we have given proofs and references for everthing. If Umar was really a God fearing person then why he usurped the Caliphate and attack the house of Hazrat Ali(a.s)??
Was Ali not a campanion of Holy Prophet(s.a.w)??.
Now you tell me who you are?
It is all lies and fabrications, yes its true... Ali did not agree with everything the companions did or said but none of the companions completelty agreed with each other. They did, however, respect each other. would you watch your wife get treated like that and do nothing about it? Of course you wouldnt!! neither would a charachter like the magnificant Ali.. Your proofs and references are weak to say the least.
Dear,
All my proofs and references are from ur books.
Do you mean to say that ur own books and references are weak.???
OK if it is true then ask ur scholars why they have dont this??
You are talking about respect!!! Go and read history there were companions who killed other companions!
Ali(a.s) was divinely appointed Caliph of Prophet(s.a.w)and he did what was appropriate in the interest of Islam.
Yes.. Pls stop attacking Umar..Only Aflaah can attack him from behind.. ha ha
It is clear from above conversation that umar is burning hell fire. Actually, umars followers/lovers never follow the knowledgeable and pragmatic way in stead they always follow cunning & deceit way of solution. It is their swear not to accept any facts in history, truth in life, reasons in matter if anything against umar. As if umar is their
prophet.
umars lovers perfect solutions: Mr. Halagu Khan 1258
Yeah they act as Umar is their prophet audobillah. LOL...Where one can see his name in shahada if i may ask....Sunnis/wahabis mean that if one criticize Umar one is kuffar and end in hell....Maybe they have their own shahada where umar is mentioned....?LOL....Umar attacked the daughter of Muhammed saws....so stop talking about attacking umar...Muhammad saws told us AND sahaba to follow Ali a.s after him....he did NOT say in Ghadir Qum that we were to follow abu bakr or umar...Abu bakr was elected against Muhammed saws will on his(saws)funeral day and abu bakr appointed umar....WHY he didn't chose Ali a.s already then instead of umar....Umar was not elected....he was personally chosen by abu bakr......Proves that they were against ahle al bayt.
this is not sunni book
Muhammad bin saib bin bashr bin amr alkalbi was sabai and one of the follower of ibn Saba alsuda and you Ibn saba hate companions and you also know that Ali rz threatened him to through in fire for his believes.
al kalbi known in rijaal as kafir ,kazab , sabae , maloon , zindiq etc
so your whole story is based on kalbi actually like that what kalbi is..........
thanks
and by the way who is this kalb bin Lu'ayy ibn Ghalib
did he kaab bin loe bin Ghalib............. then how is this possible that nufail working for kaab bin la'ayy bin ghalib , he is too before him ..........
check your narration
Lanatullah alal kazbeen
mr would you prove Muhammad bin Saib Kalbi a trustworthy sunni scholar
I chellenge you ............... add my comments if you are not lier
Mr. Zubair, i accept your challenge, there are other references also,
Refer:
1. Alnihayad fi Alhadith, written by Ibn Athir, Volume I, page 15.
2 - Sharh Nahjul Balagha by Ibn Abi al-Hadid Shafai, Volume 12, Page 39
Now dont say that Ibn Athir and Ibn Abi al-Hadid Shafai were shias, because when are not able to defend your case , you people try unsuccessfully to prove that either the narrrator is weak or the author is a Shia!!!
One more thing whatever we have posted on this site are all supported by lots of references, so now you know well who are liars!!!
More reference:
Al Maaruf- Ibn Qutaybah page 104, edition-Beirut
for details refer our post:
http://umar-ibn-khattab.blogspot.com/2012/07/umar-ka-shajrae-nasab-lineage-of.html
We have no love for the man who is said to be the murderer of the grandson of the Prophet(sawa) & his only daughter also got martyred due to injuries inflicted by so called sahabi but this I believe because I have seen the reliable sunni references & this could not be refuted as shia exageration.!!!
If you are truly a pious and God fearing muslim, you would never love a man who oppressed the daughter of Prophet(sawa),by denying fadak and became the cause of her anger(Refer Sahih Bukhari)
Dear Brothers,
Let's come to a conclusion. Show us the right LINEAGE of Mr. Umar B K from any Sunni Book with Authentic chain of narrators, we will accept and replace this one with the authentic LINEAGE.
so please
prove Muhammad bin saib a trust worthy sunni scholar
i m waiting
and why you are not come to forum to debate with us regarding this we will show you how you lie , islamic-forum.net
Fatima (may allah be pleased with her) anger three times Ali (may Allah be pleased with Him)
so what you say
Dear Zubair - I have already replied to your comment at other place. Please check my answer here :
http://umar-ibn-khattab.blogspot.in/2012/07/umar-ka-shajrae-nasab-lineage-of.html?showComment=1344527337944#c1542316254376817014
Regarding Fatima's (s) anger for Ali (a) - Please show from Shia narrations. We don't consider Bukhari and other Sunni Books to be reliable.
Thank you.
Mr. Zubair,
Do u have any prove that Muhammad bin Saib Kalbi was not a Sunni scholar?
In other word can u prove with references that Muhammad bin Saib Kalbi was a shia scholar?
If u cannot prove with references then u have to accept.
Go and ask ur scholars who he was and why he has written such a lineage of Umar. Al Salabah Fe Ma'rifat Al Sahabah is not our book so we are not answerable.
You are under the impression that he was the only person who wrote this lineage of Umar!!
So Dear ,we have also given the other references regarding lineage of Umar from ur books. Have u gone through those books!!!Read my previous comments and visit the links given by Mr. Abu Talha.
Our site is complete and perfect with thousand of references, all from sunni books. Still u believe Umar to be a great companion of Prophet(s.a.w)????!!!
We have told the truth all from ur books. Now it is upto u to believe it or not!!
Yes one more thing Mr. Zubair ,when any of ur scholar try to speak the truth u people accuse him as shia.
Simply calling anybody shia is not sufficient u have to prove from his writing that he believe in Shia Aqaed!!(i.e. one who believe Imam Ali to be the first Imam and Caliph after Holy Prophet(s.a.w).
Mr. Zubair Charchar,
you said Fatima was also angry with Ali.
What u said is totally unauthentic and untrue.
To read detail reply kindly visit:
http://www.answering-ansar.org/answers/fadak/en/chap11.php
bismillah al rahman al raheem
clearly you are hypocrites
didnt the prophet muhammad sallah allahu 3alayhi wassalam clearly state that abu bakr al sideeq, umar bin al khattab , othman bin affan and ali bin abi talib
are all of the mabashareen bil jannah ''which by the way thr are 10 of them'' meaning PROMISED HEAVEN FROM NONE OTHER THAN THE LEADER OF ISLAM THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD SALLAH ALLAHU 3ALAYHI WASALLAM... and if you deny this promise the your calling our beloved prophet sallah allahu 3alayhi wasallam a liar,..which he obviously isnt. id just like to remind you that he sallah allahu 3alayhi wassalam is al sadiq al ameen .. and if omar had actually killed fatima regardless of her rank .. and just consider her a muslim then he would end up in hell .. so it only makes sense that him killing fatima r.a. is a FALSE ACCUSATION.
P.S. OMAR BIN AL KHATTAB MARRIED UM KULTHOOM WHICH IS ALI R.A. AND FATIMA R.A. DAUGHTER.
SO STOP THESE FOOLISH ARGUEMENTS AND GROW UP YOU WANNA BE MUSLIMS AND DENY YOUR TRUE HISTORY.. FIGHTING AND MAKING UP STORIES ... NO WONDER WHY ISLAM IS IN THE STATE ITS IN TODAY..
by the way islam is a religion of submission to allah and following his beloved prophet 3alayhi salat wasalam which means following his sunnah not ali or fatima or hassan or hussein or jaafar or abbas or whoever else your following yes we love them and respect them but allah did not chose for ali to be his messenger he chose muhammad sallah allahu 3alayhi wasallam and whoever says that jibrail made a mistake and some how went and gave revelation to muhammad sallah allahu 3alahi wa sallam instead of ali ,,,, like some shiah and alawiyah say ,,, then you are a kafir .. because jbrail does not move unless ordered by allah 3azza wa jall and saying that jibrail made a mistake is almost like saying allah made a mistake wal 3iathu billah ,, astagfirullah. wa sub7ana man lahu al jalal wal ikram wa man la ya5ti2.
Dear Anonymous,
dont jump to the conclusion by saying we are hypocrite.
well i shall answer all ur objections and accusations.To begin with first answer my question.
1. Does criticising any companion of Holy Prophet(sawa) on account of his deeds is a sin??
If the answer is yes then tell me why some of the companions of prophet had (sawa)committed this sin, they not only criticise each other but also kill the companions.for e.g. Battle of Jamal was fought between Hazrat Ali and Hazrat Aisha(wife of Holy Prophet(sawa). In this battle thousand of innocent muslims were killed on both the sides. Now I ask u , responsibility for such a huge casuality lies on whom Ali(as) or Aisha???
2. The hadith which you have quoted about the merit of Abu BAkr,Umar and Uthman is not accepted by shias as it is not found in their books and is not reliable.
If Prophet(sawa) had really promised heaven for them how come they committed so many sins and crimes during the life of Holy Prophet(saw) and after his death??. No need to give reference just go through islamic history u will come to know the truth.
3. Astagfirullah,we dont believe holy prophet as liar, like all other muslims we shias also believe Holy Prophet(sawa) truthful,sadiq and ameen.
4. You said that "Umar killing fatima is a false accusation", dear brother go through our posts , the incident of burning the door and killing her is found in several authentic sunni sources. Now tell me, if we shias are wrong, why so many sunni books support our views and ideas about Umar and his conflict with Hazrat Ali(as) and Fatima(as)??
5. We dont believe Hazrat Ali married her daughter Umme Kulthum to Umar. The wife of Umar was Umme kulthum binte Abu Bakr and NOT Umme Kulthum binte Ali(as). For ref: go to our other posts on this matter(all these are again proved from sunni sources)
6.Holy Prophet(saw) said : "I am leaving behind two weightly things if you are attached with them you shall not be astrayed and they are QURAN and MY AhlulBayt(as)". Thus by following Ali ,Fatima ,Hasan & Hussain ,we are following what Holy Prophet(saw) had said so that we are not astrayed.
So by actually following Ali after Holy Prophet(saw) we are following what prophet(saw) had said and to follow him is his sunnah
7. Then u said we believe "jibrail made a mistake by giving the message to holy Prophet instead of Ali". This is abolutely rubbish and a big big lie against shias. We Shias dont believe in all these nonsense.
How can jibrail not differentiate between a 13 years old boy(Ali(as)) and a grown up man of 40 years(Holy Prophet(sawa))( When Holy Prophet received the first revelation Ali(as) was 13 years old.)
8. Last but not the least,we shias dont believe that Allah commit mistakes.
We hope most of ur doubts and objections are cleared.
The common sense says that if Sahaba and 1st three Rashidun Khalifas( May Allah be pleased with them) were liars and cheaters, than all those who believe in these fictitious theories have placed their no confidence in prophethood(Naowze bilah).The truth is that Zohrastrians of Iran did not accept Islam by heart but they had little choices so they created a trap in the shape of "love for Ahle Beyat".The Shiaism is their creation. It was during Omar Al Khattabs(MABPH} time that Iran came under Islamic folds,the Majusis did not forget this so they created hatred for him.We Sunnis have more love for AHLE BEYT than anybody else but that is based on reason and logic not on nonsense.May Allah give you all Hidayat and bring you on right path.
What truth u r talking about, which does not have any base and any support from historical books etc ??
What we are saying are known facts and are well supported and documented in both shia and sunni books.
Still due to ur blind love for Umar and Co., u r not accepting the facts.
What love of ahlulbayt u r talking when most of ur ahadith books are filled with traditions narrated from abu huraira.
Tell me brother who was more knowledgeable abu huraira or Ali (a.s)??( Prophet (s.a.w) said : I am the city of Knowledge and Ali is its Gate )
Tell me why why there r so less number of ahadith in ur books from ahlul bayt while all our shia books contain traditions from Ali(a.s) ,Hasan(a.s) ,Hussain(a.s) , Zainul Abedin(a.s.) ,Imam Baqir(a.s.),Imam Jafar(a.s).
Now tell me who believe Ahlul bayt more , sunnis or shias?
Shias do not created any hatred for Umar.The truth is vice versa.Umar has created lot of innovation in Islam. He was responsible for the murder of Prophet(s.a.w)'s daughter.He(Umar) didnt accept Quran compiled by Ali(a.s.).He was strict with Banu Hashim during his rule.He made the vote of Abdul Rahman ibn Awf important in Shura committee to sideline Ali(a.s) from Khilafat.It is due to our love for Prophet(s.a.w) and his progeny that we do not accept those companions who created problems for his progeny after his death.
The problems with u gays r , u r good in accusing but u dont want to carry out independent investigation of truth.U r simply following ur forefathers.
Last but not the least, yes common sense says that if Some Sahabas and Ist 3 Khalifas have created many innovations in Islam and cause the bloodshed of innocent muslims then THEY SHOULD NOT ACCEPTED AT ANY COST.
And what is the sin of the Muslim who reads in Sahih al-Bukhari and Muslim the saying of the Messenger of Allah (S.A.W.) to his companions: 'On the day of resurrection you will be grabbed from the left, and I will say: 'Where are they [being taken] to?' It will be said: 'To hell, by God'. I will say: 'My Lord! These are my companions'. It will be said: 'You do not know what they did after you. From the time you left them they never ceased to apostatize'. I will say: 'Away with him, away with him, woe to him who changed things after me. And I do not see anyone of them being saved except that he will be like a forlorn sheep'"
Allah definitely guide those who seek them.
What ever Hazrat Umar (R.A) might have done, true or false. He is the sahaba who embraced Islam after the PROPHET (PBUH) prayed for it. Do you muslims then think that a person who embraced Islam with the prayers of the PROPHET (PBUH) could do any such thing? Are you ready to say that? You say you respect the ahle bait? What about the PROPHET (PBUH)? Please tell me this?
Please prove me from Quran, that all the Sahabas (Sincere and Hypocrite) of the Holy Prophet (s.) will go to Jannah. I will show you numerous Ayaats from the Holy Quran that promises Punishment to the wrong doers. Even if he be the Son of a prophet.
The shia are often if always quoting "SURAH HUJURAT" to prove how deviated Omar was but they are the one violating central theme that every Muslim must avoid..calling name, reviling others, suspicion with one another, to ascertain news good or bad....what you been smoking lately you shia?
We are simply reporting the historical facts from sunni books.Is it not our responsibility to know the truth so that we follow the truthful one? Traditions of Prophet(s.a.w.a) are the second important source of knowledge after Holy Quran. Is it not necessary for us to know the truthfulness of the companion before taking a tradition from him. Umar and his supporters were foremost in opposing Ali (a.s) who was appointed by Holy Prophet (s.a.w.a) as his Caliph in Ghadeer e Khum. Is it not important for us to know the reasons so that we take our deen (religion) from the righteous person.??.
Dont u read from the Holy Quran five times a day : "Guide us to the right path, the path of those whom u have blessed and rewarded(Holy Prophet(sawa) and his Pure Progeny) and not of those who have gone astrayed (Umar and his supporters)"-Surah Faateha,Holy Quran
hey Kharijites .... go to your sects site hcy haq chaar yaar created by the well known Malaoons of All time ASWJ aka Lashkar e jhangvi laanatullah aka sipah e sahaba (paleed or haramzaadey sahabaaon ki sipah)
i ll give very brief answers .....
Ravi huraira ko KAAN ki baat samajh aati hai aur jo Rasool PBUH ne cheenckh cheenkh ker Ghadeer e khum per elaan e Wilaayat e Ali kiya wo kisi ko samajh nahi aayaa ... wow n den u say that hazrat abu talib as died as an infidel ???? when Hazrat Abu Talib was counting his last moments, Rasool SAW came to him and said Chacha Chacha please islam Qabool Ker lain bull shit ....
Tumhaarey Yazeed ke kitney baap hain nahi pata, tumhara muawiya ke kitney baap hai nahi pata ..... amr e aas ke kitney baap hain nahi pata aur abu sufyaan ka to nahi poocho to acha hai ...... please refer to your both the Sahis ... n den u can authenticate to what i am saying ....
Rasool ke saath rehney sey rasool jaise nahi hojaingey .... is ke liyye Ma ka kirdar pak hona chaahiye ... khooon paak hona chaahiyey hai aur agar maa awaara ho .. to aulaad to aisi hi hogi ..... tumhari maa ka naam layla ya hinda to nahi ..... this is to all the wahabis here and out everywhere ..........
You have wasted lot of time and effort for what; trying to convince people. I don't think any sunni would agree with you. This type of argument has been had by better people, then me and you, I would say. Try something bit more positive, which brings people together.
We are not here to convince anybody. What we have done is based on historical facts.
It is very important for the people to take the religion from the pure hands. We dont argue the position of any companion but religion cannot be taken from them when so many differences are there among them.
What we r trying to prove here is Ali(as) was the only companion of the Prophet(sawa) authorized by the Prophet(SAWA) to guide the UMMAH after him.
And this is not wastage of time and effort.
People can come together if they come on a common platform and that platform is to follow the Pure Progeny of Holy Prophet(SAWA).
Holy Prophet(SAWA) said :
"I am leaving among you two weighty things: the one being the Book of Allah and other is my Progeny"
(Sahih Muslim: Book 031, Hadith Number 5920)
If people start following the teaching of Quran and Holy Progeny all the differences are going to vanish. InSha Allah
Prophet PBUH was appointed by Allah and despite all the struggles of Kuffars , Munafiqeen and Jews he succeeded in his mission. If Ali RA was also appointed by Allah as Caliph...........then how can it possible that he could not succeed? ....and OTHERS taken over? Please answer
Our answer is :
Ali(AS) Caliphate can be easily proved from Quran and authentic Shia and Sunni Traditions.The incidence of appointed of Ali(as) in Ghadeer e Khum can be found in hundreds of Shia and Sunni Books.Still if are not believing in Appointment of Ali by Prophet(sawa) , its like denying sun in broad daytime in clear sky!!!,
Its your problem if u dont want to accept the facts which even many bias Sunni Scholars had not denied!!
Coming to your second objection that why Ali(as) could not succeed.
Listen mr. Anonymous if u r thinking Caliphate is worldly kingdom then u are wrong.Caliphate means successor of Holy Prophet(sawa) and like Prophethood, Caliphate is also a divine position which needs Piety and obedience.
And Ali(as) was fully qualified for it and hence Allah had appointed him to guide the Muslim Ummah after Holy Prophet(sawa), through his vast knowledge and obedience of Allah.
Now if Muslim Ummah prefer some other person who is not knowledgeable enough to guide the people then it is their fault.
If People did not come to Ali(as) for guidance then it is their loss and not the loss for Ali(as).
Why should Ali(as) go to people and forced them to accept him as Caliph when he is not appointed by People??
He was appointed by Allah and Allah has not forced anybody to follow Ali(as). And thus Ali (as) did not forced people to accept him as Caliph.
If people had followed him they would have not been misguided by others.
So dear, Ali(as) remains a Caliph even if nobody follows him. Caliphate is not like worldly kingdom where people are forced to accept the leader.
Ali is followed by thousands of Shias as their Caliph and first Imam.
If you are seeing the numbers, then even Holy Prophet(sawa) mission failed ( May Allah forbid) because even after 1400 years Islam is not the world largest religions in terms of numbers.
I hope you understand.
If you need more guidance please write ...we will answer all your objections
The reason why Islam was brought to mankind was to stop division and create equality. When you start talking about lineage (i.e., the blood of so and so is better than that of another) you create inequality, which in turn creates injustice. This is what Islam was brought as a cure. To create unity through one god regardless of what race, ethnicity, background, blood you are. I pray that this hate that transcends from each sect onto the other ends one day inshallah.
A muslim brother.
Thank you Br. Unknown for your beautiful comment.
We, the admin of this site fully appreciate ur views. But dear brother we have never and we will never spread hate through this site. Our purpose is to exposed only those people who knowingly or unknowing slander and accuse shias for creating division among muslims. Tell me what is our fault if we are exposing that fellow who has brought about so much destruction in Islam??
You are right we should not talk about anybody's lineage but we can't stop ourselves when we see that forefathers of Holy Prophet(sawa) and Ali(as) are classified as sinners and polytheist(May Allah forbid) by Salafi mullas and at the same time person like Umar who was responsible for the killing of the beloved daughter of Holy Prophet(sawa) is praised by Salafis as 'Farooq e Azam'.
I asked u brother tell me will u tolerate a person with dubious character and lineage praised by all ??? and Pure Family of Prophet(sawa) who had given so much sacrifices for Islam sidelined and not even discuss in the long speeches of these worldly mullah???
Tell me is this justice that the person who had nourished and protected Islam from Quraish is criticized( Hazrat Abu Talib) and the one who had not done anything significance during the lifetime of Holy Prophet(sawa) is said as the greatest companion of Holy Prophet(sawa)(i.e. Umar)???
And one more thing,the one who killed the beloved daughter of Prophet(sawa) could not be of a pure lineage and this is even proved from sunni books, so whats wrong in it ??
I understand your concerns Brother. To clarify, when i said that i pray that the hate that transcends from one sect to the other ends i meant that for both the Sunni and Shia and not only your site. Exposing each others mistakes will only add fire to a flame in a time where it is least needed. The Sunni and Shia should instead discuss their similiarites (i.e., the beautiful Holy Quran) - but that's only my opinion whatever that's worth. God is the all knowing - that's why i leave the judgement of right and wrong to him. Brother, I am only a traveller struggling to internalize the message that was sent by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the Holy Quran and to apply it to my life and my family's life. Islam as a religion in my opinion was brought to bring together tribes and races under one umbrella to worship one god in harmony regardless of the differences that each tribe/race may possess. I pray god forgives us all for our mistakes. God knows best. Salam.
My reply to Anonymous who commented :
"Prophet PBUH was appointed by Allah and despite all the struggles of Kuffars , Munafiqeen and Jews he succeeded in his mission. If Ali RA was also appointed by Allah as Caliph...........then how can it possible that he could not succeed? ....and OTHERS taken over? Please answer"
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My comment :
Firstly what do you mean by Prophet (s.) Succeeded in his mission ?
He definitely succeeded in his mission, there is no point to discuss in that. His mission was to teach/propogate the LAWS OF ISLAM to the ummah during his lifetime. He did that, accomplished his mission successfully. No Doubt... What after he left this world? What happened ?
• Your leaders dis-allowed the Prophet (s.) to write / dictate his last will.
• Prophet Said : Ali is truth and Truth is with Ali. The companions left Ali alone and set out to choose a Khalifa when the body of the Prophet was yet to be buried.
• Your leaders (Ayesha and Muawiyah) Fought with Ali.
• They Fought with Truth as per the traditions of Holy Prophet.
• Your Leaders (Abu Bakr & Umar) Oppressed the Daughter of Holy Prophet, made her Angry.
• Where in the Quran it is mentioned that it is incumbent upon the Ummah to follow the IJMA'A of the Ummah? Show me!
• On the contrary Holy Prophet (s.) asked for MAWADDATA FIL QURBAA as his AJRE RISALAT. What is the meaning of MAWADDAT in front of you people? You people keep the name of your children as MUAVIYA & YAZID. Is this Mawaddat?
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Today Islam is the most misunderstood religion. The people belonging to the Majority sect are Frustrated. They are killing Human Beings throughout the world. From Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Bahrain, Saudi and persecuting in some other countries. The so called Islam (your Version) is a total failure today. I am sorry to say that this is not Islam. Allah did not sent this religion to be degraded. Allah did not want the followers of this religion to kill each other.
Open your eyes. See what the Ummah is doing when the family of Saudi King wasting their money and the Palestinians do not have good water to drink. When Wine and girls are served to the American Forces in Saudi and Ummah is silent. When innocent people being murdered through their money and Ummah Silent. This is the same Ummah that remained silent when the so called companions chose their KHALIFA leaving Ali alone. This is the ZALALAH of leaving Ali. The Ummah suffering from Spiritual disease and will suffer till the time Imam Mahdi comes to this world.
A response to the comment above:
I would suggest that you don't associate the word “Sunni” or even “Muslim” with the leaders of the countries you mentioned. If you dislike these leaders than state them by their name and leave it at that – do not tie religion (i.e., my islam/your islam) into it. Trust me there's millions of Sunni muslims that share your view that what's happening in Palestine is wrong. Now do you see Shia majority countries stopping the apartheid in Palestine? Actions speak louder than words. Let's not blame each other because neither side is changing the situation in Palestine as it currently stands. We all do what we can with support groups to help Palestine weather we are Sunni or Shia but none of OUR leaders are actually doing anything militarily so let's not point fingers. The leaders you dislike for the wrong they commit are not liked by any sect whatsoever nor do they represent any sect. They are in power because the enemies of Islam have kept them in power. They represent themselves and will answer to God on their own behalf on the day of judgement so let them be.
Here are some excerpts (next message) for you to see that it hasn’t always been as bad as you seem to think it has.. History has been quite favourable for the Muslims until of course more recently (last few centuries) as the rise of secularism has spread like wild fire. These quotes are from Western authors as they even recognize the success of Islam. If you wonder why things have changed over the last few centuries, look inside yourself before looking into others and see what positivity you can bring to the table.
CONTRIBUTION TO SCIENCE AND CIVILISATION:
“It is to Mussulman science, to Mussulman art, and to Mussulman literature that Europe has been in a great measure indebted for its extrication from the darkness of the Middle Ages.”
“Europe was darkened at sunset, Cordova shone with public lamps: Europe was dirty, Cordova built a thousand baths: Europe was covered with vermin, Cordova changed its undergarments daily: Europe lay in mud, Cordova’s streets were paved; Europe’s palaces had smoke-holes in the ceiling, Cordova’s arabesques were exquisite; Europe’s nobility could not sign its name, Cordova’s children went to school; Europe’s monks could not read the baptismal service, Cordova’s teachers created a library of Alexandrian dimensions.”
“The phrase ‘the Dark Ages’ to cover the period from 699 to 1,000 marks our undue concentration on Western Europe … From India to Spain, the brilliant civilization of Islam flourised. What was lost to Christendom at this time was not lost to civilization, but quite the contrary … To us it seems that West-European civilization is civilization; but this is a narrow view. From a new angle and with a fresh vigour it (the Arab mind) took up that systematic development of positive knowledge which the
Greeks had begun and relinquished … Through the Arabs it was and not by the Latin route that the modern world received that gift of light and power.”
THE RISE OF ISLAM:
“The rise of Islam is perhaps the most amazing event in human history. Springing from a land and a people alike previously negligible, Islam spread within a century over half the earth, shattering great empires, overthrowing long-established religions, remoulding the souls of races, and building up a whole new world—the world of Islam.”
“The closer we examine this development the more extraordinary does it appear. The other great religions won their way slowly, by painful struggle, and finally triumphed with the aid of powerful monarchs converted to the new faith. Christianity had its Constantine, Buddhism its Asoka, and Zoroastrianism its Cyrus, each lending to his chosen cult the mighty force of secular authority. Not so Islam. Arising in a desert land sparsely inhabited by a nomad race previously undistinguished in human annals, Islam sallied forth on its great adventure with the slenderest human backing and against the heaviest material odds. Yet Islam triumphed with seemingly miraculous ease, and a couple of generations saw the Fiery Crescent borne victorious from the Pyrenees to the Himalayas and from the deserts of Central Asia to the deserts of Central Africa … Preaching a simple, austere monotheism, free from priestcraft or elaborate doctrinal trappings, he tapped the well-springs of religious zeal always present in the Semitic heart. Forgetting the chronic rivalries and blood feuds which had consumed their energies in internecine strife, and welded into a glowing unity by the fire of their new-found faith, the Arabs poured forth from their deserts to conquer the earth for Allah, the one true God …”
“They (Arabs) were no blood thirsty savages, bent solely on loot and destruction. On the contrary, they were an innately gifted race, eager to learn and appreciative of the cultural gifts which older civilizations had to bestow. Intermarrying freely and professing a common belief, conquerors and conquered rapidly fused, and from this fusion arose a new civilization—the Saracenic civilization, in which the ancient cultures of Greece, Rome and Persia were revitalized by the Arab genius and the Islamic spirit. For the first three centuries of its existence (circ. A.D. 650-1000) the realm of Islam was the most civilized and progressive portion of the world. Studded with splendid cities, gracious masjids, and quiet universities where the wisdom of the ancient world was preserved and appreciated, the Moslem world offered a striking contrast to the Christian West, then sunk in the night of the Dark Ages.”
Peace be with you.
Dear Mr. Unknown, i am very thankful to u for expressing your beautiful ideas on our site. You are right brother, instead of fighting and pointing each other mistakes we must work on bringing Sunnis and Shias together.
We Shias are trying hard to bring our sunni brothers close to us. But whenever we try to do this, innocent sunnis who are brain-washed by their leaders start criticizing shias for dis-respecting the companions of Holy Prophet(sawa) and instead of listening to what is our stand on this sensitive matter, they start calling us KAFIR.
Now brother, what can we do when our brothers are not ready to listen to us.
Thus the purpose of this site is to make common sunnis understand that we shias love Holy Prophet(sawa) and his pure family ,and due to our utmost love for prophet(sawa) we are against some of the companions of Holy Prophet(sawa) who did not obey his order(for eg Umar denied Pen and paper to Prophet for writing the will).
Abu Bakr made himself Caliph knowing fully well that Prophet(sawa) had appointed Ali(as) to guide the Muslims.
Then these people(Abu Bakr and Umar) forced Ali(as) for allegiance and dragged him from his house and attacked the daughter of Holy Prophet(sawa) due to which she lost her unborn child and suffered fatal injuries.
If these things are made known to our Sunnis brothers , even they would start disliking these people and will come close to Shias and Inshallah Unity would be established between us.
Dear Unknown,
So you agree that these leaders are corrupt, now tell me where are the ULAMAs of this UMMAH? Why they are sitting quiet? Why don't they stand and say that these people are wrong and not supposed to be the leaders of the Ummah? I know why they don't say... They are afraid of them... They are afraid of their lives... the money that is being offered to them. The same thing happened in the earlier days of Islam. Some so called companions hijacked Islam and deprived those who were worthy to guide. They made Islam a tool to gain power. They did not obeyed the prophet (s.). The result... Muslims murdered the GRANDSON OF THE PROPHET in 61 Hijri. They looted their families and degraded their women and killed their children. The same is repeating today. The Hijackers of Islam killing the innocent people in the name of religion. Is this ISLAM? Is this what the prophet taught?
Anything coming against Umar when even provided with sunni reference is to be a lie, but when it comes to Prophet (pbuh) it is truth. I hardly see any sunni coming to protect the prophet (pbuh) when so much anti Prophet (pbuh) is written and people have written books and made movies out of sunni references.
To some protecting Umar is more important than protecting Prophet (pbuh)?
One more question to our Sunni brothers :
Can you give me an example of where a pagan of illgotten birth becoming Prophet? If not why umar being promised with fake hadith that he would have been a Prophet???
And also why those who had Abrahamic lineage( pure lineage) being targeted by Sunni hadiths that Prophet's (pbuh) and Imam Ali (as)'s parents were kafir etc. etc.(May Allah forbid)??
SALAM YA MAHDI AL HAQ A.S
The people who has lineage of their Leader OMAR la will not accept anything because it will be difficult for them to digest that they are the from same lineage as tha Omar la was
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