How Tarawih came into being??!!!
Nawafil prayers are not allowed with Jama'at except salatul-istisqa' (the salat for praying
to Allah to send rain).
But 'Umar, in defiance of this rule of shari'ah, made people pray nawafil with Jama'ah in the nights of the holy month, and he himself said that it was a good bid'ah!
See for example the following report of Sahih al-Bukhari (the chapter of Taraweeh):
'Abdu'r-Rahman, son of 'Abd said : "I went with 'Umar to the Masjid in a Ramadhan night; and there were people disorganised.... Then 'Umar said: 'I think it would be ideal if I make them pray together with one reciter' (i.e., behind an Imam of Jama'at); so he thus decided and gathered them behind Ubay ibn Ka'b.... Then I went there with him another night and the people were praying with one Imam. 'Umar said: 'A good bid'ah is this.'"
'Allamah Qastalani writes in Irshad as-Sari (Commentary of Sahih al-Bukhari):
He called it bid'ah, because the Messenger of Allah had not prescribed it for them nor was it in the days of the (first caliph) Siddiq (R.A), nor was it for the early parts of night, nor to this
(fixed) number."
Imam as-Suyuti (in Tarikhu 'I-Khulafa) Muhammad ibn Sa'd (in at-Tabaqat) and others have clearly counted the Taraweeh among the things started by 'Umar.
'Umar started it in Ramadhan, 15 A.H., the second year of his caliphate.
Nawafil prayers are not allowed with Jama'at except salatul-istisqa' (the salat for praying
to Allah to send rain).
But 'Umar, in defiance of this rule of shari'ah, made people pray nawafil with Jama'ah in the nights of the holy month, and he himself said that it was a good bid'ah!
See for example the following report of Sahih al-Bukhari (the chapter of Taraweeh):
'Abdu'r-Rahman, son of 'Abd said : "I went with 'Umar to the Masjid in a Ramadhan night; and there were people disorganised.... Then 'Umar said: 'I think it would be ideal if I make them pray together with one reciter' (i.e., behind an Imam of Jama'at); so he thus decided and gathered them behind Ubay ibn Ka'b.... Then I went there with him another night and the people were praying with one Imam. 'Umar said: 'A good bid'ah is this.'"
'Allamah Qastalani writes in Irshad as-Sari (Commentary of Sahih al-Bukhari):
He called it bid'ah, because the Messenger of Allah had not prescribed it for them nor was it in the days of the (first caliph) Siddiq (R.A), nor was it for the early parts of night, nor to this
(fixed) number."
Imam as-Suyuti (in Tarikhu 'I-Khulafa) Muhammad ibn Sa'd (in at-Tabaqat) and others have clearly counted the Taraweeh among the things started by 'Umar.
'Umar started it in Ramadhan, 15 A.H., the second year of his caliphate.
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BIDAT IS BIDAT , GOOD OR BAD , IT IS HARAM , A GRAVE SIN AND THE PERSON WHO INTRODUCES IS NOTHING BUT A JAHANNUMI , UNPARDONABLE , WHO EVER IT MAY , THOSE WHO ADORE SUCH LEADER ARE ALSO THE COMMITTER OF GUNAH E KABIRAH AND DESTINED TO HELL.
@Zaheerhusain- Idiots are idiots no matter what they say.
islam is one and was bring by hazrat Muhammad-e-mustafa (s.a.w). and it was a complete islam, who gave the chaliphs the authority to change, remove or add something from their own side. but my concern is that the people are more stupid then the chaliphs that after knowing everything still following tarawhi. stupid people.
SHIA ARE IDIOTS
Ali(RA) and caliphs were good friends,
following two narrations were reported by both sunni's and Shee'ahs. The first one is quoted from Saheeh al Bukhaaree and the second one is quoted from a Shee'ah book: "Takhlees ash-Shaafee"
It is mutawaatir upon 'Alee radhiallaahu anhu from his son:
أيُّ النَّاسِ خَيْرٌ بَعْدَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَ أَبُو بَكْرٍ قُلْتُ ثُمَّ مَنْ قَالَ ثُمَّ عُمَرُ وَخَشِيتُ أَنْ يَقُولَ عُثْمَانُ قُلْتُ ثُمَّ أَنْتَ قَالَ مَا أَنَا إِلا رَجُلٌ مِنْ الْمُسْلِمِينَ " رواه البخاري ( 3671 )
((Which of the people is best after the Messenger salallaahu alaihi wa salam? He said: "Aboo Bakr" I said: "Then whom?" he said "Then Umar" and I feared he would say Uthmaan then I said "then you?" he said "I am not except a man from the Muslims"))
Shareek bin 'Abdillaah, the Taabi'ee, when he was asked, "who is better.. Abu Bakr or 'Alee" He said "Abu Bakr". The one who asked him said, "You say this while you are a Shee'ee?" He said, "Yes any one who does not say this is not a Shee'ah by Allaah, Alee took up this pulpit and said, "ألا إن خير هذه الأمة بعد رسول الله، أبي بكر ثم عمر" By Allaah the best of this Ummah after its prophet is Abu Bakr and then 'Umar so how can we turn down and reject his saying? By Allaah he was not a liar." Narrated from Alee from more than 80 ways of narration (Talkhees ash-Shaafee Vol. 2, 428)
Hell is for umar
How the hell can he invent anything by him self is he the messenger of god ? Why people follow any thing blindly .why they not do research on islam .I was sunni but after doing research I converted to shia
I wonder why then did he hazrat Ali pbuh say that Umar was better then him as posted above
from the above post of what hazrat Ali pbuh had to say about abu abkr and umar,then either you all are liars or hazrat ali ra was a liar ....
I rest my case ,of course my pious predecessor,my sheikh, 1 of the greatest man to ever walk on this earth,a man who was the family of the habib of Allah .a man who was married to the mother of the women of paradise .a man who was the father of the leaders of the youth of jannah ,would never lie ...its as bush would say,you either with us or you against us..your choice shia muslims:
YOU EITHER WITH HAZRAT ALI RA IN THE WAY HE PRAISED ABU BAKR AND UMAR, OR YOU AGAINST HIM
Javed seems you like hell.the word hell that is."hell is for umar","how the hell can he"
And seems you have become Allah to give hell to others
And you stupid,sorry if I offend you.i mean how can you convert from being muslim to being Muslim.
you have just changed your ideology from Sunni to Shia,and you convert from Christianity to islam
By the way I'm not Sunni nor am I Shia.yes I believe in 1 Allah and I follow the Shia of the last prophet muhammed saw FULLSTOP...
(the ahle bayt have their place in Islam and the companions have their place in Islam)
Dear Anonymous,
Nowhere you would find in Shia Books that Umar was better than Ali(as).
Secondly it is also logically not possible for Umar to be better than Ali(as).
The Reasons are as follows :
1. Umar was an idol worshipper for a very long period of his life while Ali(AS) never worshipped any idol in his whole life , that is why Ali(as)'s one of the title is Karam Allahu waj ho.
2.Ali is the Gate of Knowledge as per holy Prophet(SAWA) , ( Ali is superior in knowledge than any other companion of Holy Prophet(sawa)).
3. Umar himself admit that : "Even Ali had not been there Umar would have perished " ( This tradition is found in Sunni books )
4. Ali(as) killed the champions of Arabs in defense of Islam. What is the contribution of Umar in Holy War(JIHAD)
5. Ali(AS) sons Imam Hasan and Hussain are the leaders of youths of Paradise.
5. Ali(as)'s wife is best woman and chief of all women of all time.( as per the traditions of Holy Prophet(sawa))
6. Prophet(sawa) took Ali(as) as his NAFS in Mubahhila with the Christians of Najran to prove the truthfulness of Islam.Nafs is the most closest to any person.
7. Holy Prophet(SAWA) said in Ghadir e Khum : "Of whomsover I am Maula , this Ali is his Maula ". Did he(sawa) said any such thing about Umar.
The list is long .......
the problem Abdullah is: you use shia hadeeth when it suits you and you use sunni hadeeth when it suits you .
and you giving me reason why umar can not be greater then ali .THAT WAS NEVER MY QUESTION OR POINT THAT I MADE, and I never would judge hazrat Ali against umar or any other person.
i just quoted from a shia book and a shia imam :
Shareek bin 'Abdillaah, the Taabi'ee, when he was asked, "who is better.. Abu Bakr or 'Alee" He said "Abu Bakr". The one who asked him said, "You say this while you are a Shee'ee?" He said, "Yes any one who does not say this is not a Shee'ah by Allaah, Alee took up this pulpit and said, "ألا إن خير هذه الأمة بعد رسول الله، أبي بكر ثم عمر" By Allaah the best of this Ummah after its prophet is Abu Bakr and then 'Umar so how can we turn down and reject his saying? By Allaah he was not a liar." Narrated from Alee from more than 80 ways of narration (Talkhees ash-Shaafee Vol. 2, 428)
and if you read my post ,you would have seen just what i think of hazrat Ali and what a giant he was in my eyes and how high of a status i hold for him .
Abdullah you have just proved the love umar had for hazrat ali:
"Umar himself admit that : "Even Ali had not been there Umar would have perished " ( This tradition is found in Sunni books )"
(you have used this words as proof above,so i hope you don't change your words now)
and if hazrat ali is this great man you have stated above.(which i believe he was)
i 100% agree .and this great man hazrat Ali to give his daughter to Umar (and i have given proof amoung shia scholars in another post).
and hazrat Ali to live under a khalifat of umar ,and to serve in the running of muslim affairs and taking part under umars khalifa
isn't that proof that umar also has some sort of weight and contribution in Islamic history :P )))
wonder who invented the Azadari .wipping yourself .cutting yourself with sords.making scar's on your body .making yourself bleed
.and why make babies bleed.
is this the sunnah of the prophet or rather is it the sunnah of hazrat ali when his wife ,mother of all the women in the world ,beloved Fatima Zahra died.did hazrat/imam hassain and husein ,leaders of the youth of jannah do this ???
i don't have a problem with matam (beating of the chest).
and i don't have a problem with remembering the day that even the sky cried .the day of karbala.just writing it makes my heart heavy and tears come to my eyes.
instead of making your self bleed for no reason go in jihaad and fight the evil that hazrat/imam hassain and Hussein gave their blood for .do it in their sunnah
rather pray janazah salah again and again .make dua for them .give sadakah in their name..fast in their name.make dua for them .
honestly.i rather do a bidah of taraweeh to hear a complete quran recital and to stand in salah in being in a house of Allah ,then do a bidah of cutting myself and hitting my head with a knife and bleed for no reason in congregation.and show other man that i can take more beating then others .
(AND PLEASE DO NOT TRY TO NEGATE THIS,BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN IT)
think about this.did hazrat ali call people together and say.come now ,lets all get together on a certain day and stand and dress in black and hit ourselves .lets all sing and go in the hulls and go in a not conscious state (which many people use intoxicants and drugs to go into such a state of mind) .lets all cut ourselves and bleed ..
think ,did hazrat ali or hazrat/imam hassain or Hussein ever do this .and especially in congregation ????
if you want to show your love for the ahle bayt.put your blood where your mouth is..go in jihad and give blood in the way they did ...
and stand up to truth and not practice taqiyah ,but rather say the truth even if it means loosing your life
Please don't compare those great personalities and who we are to compare them, please make yourself a good muslim follow the things whom you believe and spend the life as they did...
Dear Mr. Anonymous,
You said regarding me : " the problem Abdullah is: you use shia hadeeth when it suits you and you use sunni hadeeth when it suits you"
Before accusing me bias, I would advise you to visit all our posts on this website and tell me where I have used Shia sources to prove my points.
Everywhere I have given the references from sunni books so that our sunni brothers should know fully well that it is not the created stories of Shias that Umar had done so much damage to Islam.
Mr. Anonymous,
Coming to your second objection that I misunderstood your question
My Reply:
1. You were trying to prove "through that Shia tradition from a Shia Imam" that Umar and Abu Bakr are superior to Ali(as), so I proved through traditions and logic that Umar and Abu Bakr were not superior to Ali(AS) as per sunni and shia books.
2.You tried invain to prove to me that the tradition said : that man was a She'ee still he said that Abu
Bakr and Umar were superior to Ali.
Listen mr.,, Shias are the one who believe Ali(As) to be the first caliph of the Prophet(Sawa). Shias
believe that Ali is the rightful successor of Holy Prophet(SAWA).
So that person cannot be called as Shia who believe in the superiority of Umar and Abu Bakr over
Ali(As).Thus even if this one-off weak tradition is found in any Shia book it is Invalid and cannot be
accepted in comparision to so many traditions found in Shia-sunni books which proves reasonably well that Ali was the most superior companion of the Holy Prophet(sawa)
One more thing Mr. Anonymous,
Shias do not accept the traditions found even in their reputed books blindly. Shias test the traditions and its ISNAD i.e . CHAIN OF NARRATORS. If it is found that the chain of narrators are reliable and trustworthy then only that tradition is accepted. So dont jump with joy when you see any tradition which proves your point because we Shias have set a very strict standards for testing the reliability of traditions.
There is a separate science of RIJAL( Biographies of Chain of Narrators) and our ulamas are expert in it.
You quote the tradition that "If Ali had not been there Umar would have perished" ( which I have used in my previous post) to prove that Ali was really in good terms with Umar.
Yes it is true that Ali(as) helped Umar due to which Umar said this statement.
But this help to Umar was not personal but it was for the benefit of Islam. For e.g. When Umar was not able to answer the questions put forth by Christian and Jews Scholars, Ali(as) used to answer those questions to save Islam from humiliation.
Ali inspite of helping Umar during his Khilafat did not accept any post and neither was he offered any important post by Umar.Tell me if Ali(AS) was really in good terms with Umar then why Umar did not give him any post or government during his khilafat. Infact history witnessed that Ali(AS) wife's property FADAk was usurped by Umar and Abu Bakr.
( See Sahih Bukhari and Muslim for Reference )
Regarding Ali(as) marrying his daughter Umme Kulthum to Umar. It is completely wrong and for this matter you may refer to many of our posts on this matter. We have given detailed reply and also provided some books on this matter.Once again let me tell you Umar's Khilafat was neither based on election(he was not elected by muslim Ummah) and nor his khilafat based on the sunnah of Prophet(SAWA)( Abu BAkr appointed him Caliph ). Thus his contribution in Islam was this that he made lot of changes in Islam after the demise of Holy Prophet(sawa).
Regarding Azadari and its legal status please refer :
http://en.shiapen.com/comprehensive/azadari-mourning-for-imam-hussain/hitting-ones-body.html
Tarawih is a Bidat invented by Umar. It is good to recite the whole Quran in Prayer.But praying Mustahab Namaz in Jamaat is not done by Prophet(sawa) hence not allowed.
Stupid Objection : "Did hazrat ali call people together and say.come now ,lets all get together on a certain day and stand and dress in black and hit ourselves".
Tragedy of Karbala took place after Hazrat Ali and Imam Hussain passed away from this world.
Yes our other Imam , like Imam Zainul Abedeen have organized Majalis to mourn his father Imam Hussain(as). Now we dont require any fatwa from any Mulla once it is proved that our Holy Imams have instructed us to mourn Imam Hussain(AS).
Regarding hitting one self and self harm refer the above given link
You people are idiots..whoever reads and comments on this website is crazy to jump to misunderstandings.... These companions are our pious predecessors.. if you love the prophet and know his teachings then you have to love the companions!!!
Don't try play god by saying who is jahannaumi and who is not... it is better for you to gain knowledge before you make a statement and put yourselves into jahannum!!
the person that made this web page is causing problems for the people that have no knowledge.
why is it that you have to be educated in a certain field to get a great job, but for islam you don't need to be educated, everyones a teacher? think before you speak
I think you are idiot Mr. Anonymous for accusing us without any solid proofs.
Well, can you prove from history that all the companions of Prophet (SAWA) were pious and infallible (free from faults ).
If it is so , tell me why companions fought among themsleves in the battle of siffin and Jamal.
If you really love the Prophet (SAWA) you would love his progeny and only those companions who were faithful to the Prophet(SAWA) during his lifetime and after his death.
Do you think we are talking in air without any expertise in this field ??
If you think yourself educated prove how you have reach the conclusion that all the Companions were pious??
It is reported by Abu Hurairah that the Prophet (saws) would encourage people to perform the special prayers during Ramadan without commanding them as obligatory and he said: "Whoever prays during the nights of Ramadan [tarawih] with a firm belief and hoping for reward, all of his previous sins would be forgiven."
Related by Muslim and Bukhari.
Hadrat Aisha (r.a.) reported that The Prophet offered salah (tarawih) in the mosque and many people prayed with him. The next day he (saws) did the same and more people prayed with him. Then the people gathered on the third night but, the Prophet (saws) did not come out to them. In the morning, he (saws) said to them: 'Surely I saw what you did, and nothing prevented me from coming out to you, save that I feared that it [tarawih prayer] would be made obligatory upon you.' And that was during Ramadan."
Related by Muslim and Bukhari.
Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 9.393 Narrated by Zaid bin Thabit
The Prophet (saws) took a room made of date palm leaves mats in the mosque. The Prophet (saws) prayed in it for a few nights till the people gathered (to pray the night prayer (Tarawih) (behind him.) Then on the 4th night the people did not hear his voice and they thought he had slept, so some of them started humming in order that he might come out. The Prophet (saws) then said, "You continued doing what I saw you doing till I was afraid that this (Tarawih prayer) might be enjoined on you, and if it were enjoined on you, you would not continue performing it. Therefore, O people! Perform your prayers at your homes, for the best prayer of a person is what is performed at his home except the compulsory (congregational) prayer.”
It is also true that during the time of Hadrat Umar, Hadrat Uthman, and Hadrat Ali the people prayed the Taraweeh of twenty rak'at, and this is the opinion of the majority of the jurists of the Hanafi and Hanbali schools. At-Tirmidhi says: "Most of the people of knowledge follow what has been related from 'Umar and 'Ali and other companions of the Prophet, [i.e., that they prayed Taraweeh of] twenty rak'at. And this is the opinion of al-Thauri, Ibn al-Mubarak, and ash-Shaf'i. And so I found the people of Makkah praying twenty rak'at."
Fiqh-us-Sunnah Fiqh 2.28
It is allowed to pray tarawih of the month of Ramadan in a congregation just as it is allowed to pray them on an individual basis. The majority of the scholars, however, prefer to pray them in congregation. The Prophet (saws) himself led the tarawih prayers in congregation with the Muslims for three days, but he discontinued since he feared that it would be made obligatory.
'Umar was the one who convoked the Muslims to pray tarawih behind one imam. Abdurahman ibn Abdulqari reports: "One night during Ramadan, I went with 'Umar to the mosque and the people were praying (tarawih) in different groups. Some were praying by themselves and others were praying in small groups. 'Umar said: 'I think it would be better if I gathered them under one imam .' Then he did so and appointed Ubayy ibn Ka'b as the leader of the prayer. Then I went out with him on another night and all the people were praying behind one imam and 'Umar said: 'What a good innovation (bid'ah) this is,' but, it is better to sleep and delay it until the latter portion of the night." The people (however) prayed it at the beginning of the night. This is related by al-Bukhari, Ibn Khuzaimah, and alBaihaqi.
Dear and Beloved Brother in Islam, the Messenger of Allah (saws) himself led the Tarawih prayers in Ramadan one year for three days and thus established the Sunnah, but discontinued the practice of leading the Tarawih prayers in congregation as he (saws) feared that these prayers would be made obligatory upon the believers. Thus the praying of the ‘tarawih’ prayers continued throughout the life-time of Prophet Mohamed (saws) and during the reign of Hadrat Abu Bakr as-Siddiq (r.a.), but the believers performed it individually. During the reign of the second Khalifah Hadrat Umar (r.a.), since there was no more fear of the ‘tarawih’ being made obligatory, Hadrat Umar (r.a.) re-started the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah (saws) to pray the ‘Tarawih’ prayers behind one imam in congregation.
Thus the praying of the ‘tarawih’ prayers is not an innovation, but rather a Sunnah which was established by the Messenger of Allah (saws). The phrase ‘What a good ‘bidah’ this is’ used by Hadrat Umar (r.a.) was no more than an expression of his satisfaction at seeing the believers pray the ‘tarawih’ behind one imam and the re-starting of the Sunnah established by the Messenger of Allah (saws). The phrase of Hadrat Umar (r.a.) should not be taken out of context to mean anything more than an expression of his joy and satisfaction at seeing the believers perform their prayers in congregation behind one Imam.
Some people or sects who have their own agenda to revile some noble companions of the Prophet (saws) misrepresent this phrase of Hadrat Umar (r.a.), and try to propagate that Hadrat Umar (r.a.) started to bring innovations in the deen of Islam, whereas nothing could be further from the Truth! Although the Tarawih is a Sunnah which the Messenger of Allah (saws) himself established, but just for argument’s sake if one were to claim that it was Hadrat Umar (r.a.) who started this practice, it would have been incumbent upon the believers to follow this practice from this command of the Messenger of Allah (saws):
Sunan of Abu-Dawood Hadith 4590 Narrated by Irbad ibn Sariyah
Al-Irbad said: ‘One day the Messenger of Allah (saws) led us in prayer, then faced us and gave us a lengthy exhortation at which the eyes shed tears and the hearts were afraid.’ A man said: O Messenger of Allah (saws)! It seems as if it were a farewell exhortation, so what injunction do you give us?’ He (saws) then said: ‘I enjoin you to fear Allah, and to hear and obey even if it (your leader) be an Abyssinian slave, for those of you who live after me will see great disagreement. You must then follow my Sunnah and that of the Rightly-Guided Khalifahs.’
Dear khixer,
The issue is not recommended prayers in the month of Ramadan. There are recommended prayers in many Islamic months. But here we are talking about "nawafil with Jama'ah".
This was introduced by Umar ibn Khattab. Who gave him the right to Introduce this practice? He invented a Bidah. And so he is cursed one.
Dear Mr. Khixer,
You said : Some people have their own agenda to revile some noble companions of the Prophet (saws)"
Can you prove the reason why would we revile some 'noble' companions ??
When we believe in the Prophet(SAWA) and his prophethood then what has prevented us from believing that some of the companions of Prophet(SAWA) were really noble???
If you go through the history you would come to know that some of the companions of the prophet(SAWA) were against the pure progeny of the Prophet(SAWA) and YES they had a hidden agenda to deny the Ahlul Bayt from their rights of guiding the people. As a result of this conspiracy some so called noble companions of the Prophet(SAWA) left the unburied body of the Prophet(SAWA) and rushed towards a not very known place called SAQIFA to select the Caliph among themselves. Ali(AS) who was closely attached to the Prophet(SAWA) remained in the mosque and completed the last rites of the Prophet(SAWA). Due to all these factors some of the people got successful in selecting Abu Bakr as Caliph.
I ask Mr. Khixer If the companions who selected Abu Bakr as Caliph were really noble. Why they didnt wait to bury the body of the Prophet(SAWA) ??
Was Selecting the Caliph more important than burying the sacred body of the Prophet(SAWA) ???
If it was really so then this work should have been done by the Prophet(SAWA) to avoid conflicts and confusion among the Ummah!!
If they were really interested in selecting the caliph for the muslims they should have gathered in the Prophet's mosque for the same. Why they have chosen a place like Saqifa for such an important matter ???
Why these so called noble companions fought Hazrat Ali(AS) in various battles which result in the loss of thousands of muslims???
please answers.....
Salatul Layl is not Taraweeh Prayer...
Proofs :
Salat ul-Layl is 11 Rakats (in total)
Salat-ul-Taraweeh is 8 rakats or 20 Rakats there is debate on this subject between our Sunni borthers and sisters (in total)
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Salat-ul-Layl starts after midnight.
Salat-ul-Taraweeh starts after Salat-ul-Isha
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Salat-ul-Layl (you don't read through the entire Qur'an) its isn't a requirement
Salat-ul-Taraweeh (you have to complete the entire Qur'an in Ramadan by Lailatul Qadr which for them is the 27th of Ramadan)
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Salat-ul-Layl (can be read at all times of the year)
Salat-ul-Taraweeh (can be read only in Ramadan)
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Salat-ul-Layl (is read individually)
Salat-ul-Taraweeh (is read in congregation - i.e. bid'ah innovation and not the Sunnah of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) )
In the beginning of this discussion
zaheerhusain says:
September 25, 2011 at 10:43 AM Reply
BIDAT IS BIDAT , GOOD OR BAD , IT IS HARAM , A GRAVE SIN AND THE PERSON WHO INTRODUCES IS NOTHING BUT A JAHANNUMI , UNPARDONABLE , WHO EVER IT MAY , THOSE WHO ADORE SUCH LEADER ARE ALSO THE COMMITTER OF GUNAH E KABIRAH AND DESTINED TO HELL.
By this standards whole Shia Faith is based on what Hazrat Ali and other Imams said and practised most of which was not said or practiced by the Holy Prophet... This way whole Shia Faith becomes ..... BIDAT. and BIDAT IS BIDAT....... please comment
Mr. Anonymous,
You are absolutely wrong in deriving the conclusions.
You said : " whole Shia Faith is based on what Hazrat Ali and other Imams said and practised most of which was not said or practiced by the Holy Prophet... This way whole Shia Faith becomes ..... BIDAT."
Do you know that Hazrat Ali(AS) and his sons were the most knowledgeable persons after the Holy Prophet(SAWA) ???
Do you know Prophet(SAWA) had said : Cling to Quran and Alhul Bayt so that you are not deviated after me.
Hazrat Ali(AS) according to Holy Prophet(SAWA) is the GATE OF KNOWLEDGE and he learnt everything from Holy Prophet(SAWA). Hazrat Ali(AS) was the earliest muslim and foremost in propogating and defending Islam. So, what Hazrat Ali(AS) and his sons preached were the same teachings of Prophet(SAWA) which Prophet(SAWA) had taught during his lifetime. They inspite of being so knowledgeable did not introduced anything new in islam whether GOOD or BAD then who gave Umar the right to introduce many innovations (BIDAT) in Islam.
Shias are following the same Islam of Holy Prophet(SAWA).
Can you prove from history anything new introduced by Hazrat Ali(AS) ???
Then how can you say that Shias Faith is BIDAT ????
Mr Abdullah
Such a loser you are...
Didnt you heard the hadith that Prophet saw stated If there would be any nabi after me he would be Umar Ra.
And yeah just ho through Bukhari shareef you will get to know about the importance of Hazrat Umar Ra and bukhari is one of the authentic hafith collection.and beware speaking any thing against Hazrat Umar and btw if hazrat Ali was to be the first caliph so at the time of Hazrat abu Bakr..hazrat Alli could gave fought him for the caliphate..as he was tge bravest man of all but he didnt. So my answer is simple to you what Hazrat Ali ra didnt even thought of how could you fucking shitiis of shia can even think of you are the one whi are cursed to be beaten by yourself as you do and in islam its even haram to hit yourself and now dont say hazrat zain ul abideen did it cause he cant do any thing like that..b.
Dear Muhammad Umer,
How can I be a loser when I am the follower of Prophet's saying : " My AlhulBayt are like the ark of Noah, those who board it are saved and those who left it shall be drowned"
Why should I follow Umar and his sayings when I have the sayings of Prophet(SAWA) through his Ahlul Bayt.
The Hadith quoted by you regarding Umar that he would have been a prophet....." is a fake one created by Banu Umayyah to elevate the position of Umar among the Ummah.
If Bukhari is very authentic according to you then tell me why he had not included the traditions from Ahlul Bayt of Prophet(SAWA). There is only a handful of traditions from Ali, Fatima , Hasan and Husain while the book is full of traditions from Abu Hurayra, Aisha and others not so known companions of the Prophet(SAWA).
The tradition of "Umar would have been a prophet(SAWA)...." is fake one because none of the prophets sent by Allah had ever worshipped idols before or after the announcement of Prophethood while Umar was an idol worshipper for the most part of his life.
The qualification for becoming a Prophet is that he should be pure from idol worshipping throughout his life. Did Umar possess this qualification for becoming a Prophet ???
Why Ali(AS) would fight Abu Bakr when Prophet(SAWA) had appointed him Caliph in Ghadeer ??
Caliphate is a divine position and only Prophet(SAWA) is authorized to appoint a Caliph.
If people didnt followed Ali after Prophet(SAWA), then it is a lose for Ummah.
Why would Ali(AS) fight for the Caliphate which is not appointed by Allah??
Yes Ali was very brave and his bravery was for the enemies of Islam.
If he had fought for Caliphate with Abu Bakr, it would have resulted in civil war among the followers of Ali and Abu Bakr and ultimately become the cause of death of thousands of innocent muslims.
He was brave as well as patient.
You said we shias beat ourselves and it is haram.
Who are you to decide what is haraam and what is halaal.??
Yes it is true that if Zainab(AS) and Zainul Abedeen(AS) mourn Imam husain(AS) by beating chest and head, then they were the knower of islam better than you so called muslim borned after 1400 years.
Our books are full of traditions from our imams regarding mourning for Sayyedus Shuhada(AS) and we fully know what we are doing.
And the actions performed by Zainul Abedeein(AS) is a proved for us and we dont require any certificate of its correctness from you.
Umar is jannati.and shia kafir hain.tum PR Allah ki lanat ho.
Tmam shia kafiron PR Allah ki lanat ho.
Ha. Kya kehna Aapka.
Umar jo rasool(sawa) ka janaza chhodkar chala gaya wo jannati !!!
Umar wo jisne Fatema(SA) k ghar ka darwaza jalaya wo jannati!!!!
Umar wo jisne Baghe Fidak Ahle bayt se cheeena wo jannati !!!
Umar wo jo halaale Mohammed(SAWA) ko haraam kare wo jannati !!!
Umar wo jisne akhre waqt rasool(SAWA) k dimaag per shak kiya aur unhi kaghaz qalam na diya wo jannati!!!!
Aur wo shias jo Ahle bayt aur Rasool(SAWA) se muhabbat kare wo Kafir!!!!
wah re musalmaan teri Aql !!!
Who will u chose when Ahl ul baiyt is up against companions.
نعرہ حیدری یا علی۴
When Umar (RA) was given glad tidings of Heaven through Prophet Mohammad(PBUH) by Allah(SWT), do you really think he would do something that would take people away from correct path.
Think about it. Do you really think Allah (SWT) didn't knew what will happen after Prophet Mohammad(PBUH) i.e Umar (RA) combining people together to pray in congregation as taraweeh?
Stop acting like idiots and calling names to Umar(RA) and correct yourselves first
Brother, this decision was taken as huffaz of that time were dying coz of plague, so to give incentive to people to become Hafiz, hazrat omer R.A started Taraweeh namaz,
OK so do convince me what your research says about mourning of muharram after 1400 yrs as there is mourning for 3 days only?
The way shias give pain to their bodies for the sin which they haven't commit themselves, please explain
I believe every person who says kalma tayyab and believes Muhammed s.a. w last prophet, is for sure Muslim
So , please watch your words while talking about omer r. A
Masha Allah
Can you share your precious research?
For sure Ali R.A had not introduced any biddah then why the lovers of ahl e bayat still mourns after 1400 yrs when its been clearly told that mourn is for 3 days only
Why they do zanjeer zanni as its not allowed to give pain to your body as its ammah of Allah?
Explain me these two very simple questions
And I believe that every person who says kalma tayyab and believes Muhammed s.a the last prophet is Muslim
Brother, this decision was taken as huffaz of that time were dying coz of plague, so to give incentive to people to become Hafiz, hazrat omer R.A started Taraweeh namaz,
OK so do convince me what your research says about mourning of muharram after 1400 yrs as there is mourning for 3 days only?
The way shias give pain to their bodies for the sin which they haven't commit themselves, please explain
I believe every person who says kalma tayyab and believes Muhammed s.a. w last prophet, is for sure Muslim
So , please watch your words while talking about omer r. A
The Prophet (peace be upon him) offered the Taraweeh prayer in his mosque the first night when he was joined by one or two people, and on the following night he was joined by a fair-sized congregation. On the third night, he looked through his door and found the mosque full of people. Therefore, he did not come out. When asked why, he said that he did not wish that this prayer should become obligatory. This shows how thoughtful of his community the Prophet was. Even in matters of worship, he always wanted what was easier for them. If he were to offer this prayer in the mosque every night, throughout Ramadan, people would over the years elevate it to the obligatory or semi-obligatory status. Therefore, he decided to offer it at home to retain its status as voluntary night worship, which we can do at any time.
However, it is not true that it was never offered in congregation in the Prophet’s Mosque until Umar did what he did. In fact it continued to be offered in congregation, but without regular arrangements. What Umar did was to organize it in a proper way. One night in Ramadan he came into the mosque and found several groups of worshippers offering the Taraweeh prayer in several congregations. He disliked this, because it suggested division within the Muslim community. Therefore, he told them to form one congregation and appointed Ubayy ibn Kaab to lead the congregation. Ubayy was one of the best reciters of the Qur’an among the Prophet’s companions. Umar did not join because, as caliph, he led the obligatory prayers. Again he was keen not to give this prayer any impression of being obligatory. On the following night, he checked what was happening, and when he saw that there was one congregation, he made his comment that it was a fine bid’ah. He was not referring to the Taraweeh prayer itself, because the prayer was known to all and practiced by many. He was simply referring to the fact that it was offered in one congregation. So the addition is the organization of the prayer, not adding a new prayer.
Sunni hazraat. Rasul boltay hai kay kafir ko bhi kafir na bolo, aur yahan tum log aik Allah aur aik nabi ko mannay walon par lanat boltay ho. What is wrong with all of you people. The fact is you keep denying all the facts and proofs of the holy prophet (pbuh) that Ali (as) was his successor. Your aalims say that Gadheer was right and yes the Holy Prophet did call Hazrat Ali(as) our maula, but then you reject that he never mentioned caliphate. What stupid excuses is this. Now lets ask you people some simple questions. Where did the Prophet (pbuh) ever mention that after him abu bakr, umar, or usman should get caliphate? And this is the weirdest part for me. Ayesha, a wife of the prophet goes to war? Isnt jihad haram on women? But she comes on top of a camel with intent to kill the prophets son in law? To widow the Prophets (pbuh) daughter? Good islam for you. Englishmen, who learn and read about Islamic history have agreed with Shia Islam more than Sunni Islam because in all the books and the Prophets ahadis, Hazrat Ali is more evident in becoming the successor. But no even they are false. Everyone is kafir other than Sunnis, right? You're the only people who deserve to go to heaven because you're calling people kafir? Way to go.
Sunni hazraat. Rasul boltay hai kay kafir ko bhi kafir na bolo, aur yahan tum log aik Allah aur aik nabi ko mannay walon par lanat boltay ho. What is wrong with all of you people. The fact is you keep denying all the facts and proofs of the holy prophet (pbuh) that Ali (as) was his successor. Your aalims say that Gadheer was right and yes the Holy Prophet did call Hazrat Ali(as) our maula, but then you reject that he never mentioned caliphate. What stupid excuses is this. Now lets ask you people some simple questions. Where did the Prophet (pbuh) ever mention that after him abu bakr, umar, or usman should get caliphate? And this is the weirdest part for me. Ayesha, a wife of the prophet goes to war? Isnt jihad haram on women? But she comes on top of a camel with intent to kill the prophets son in law? To widow the Prophets (pbuh) daughter? Good islam for you. Englishmen, who learn and read about Islamic history have agreed with Shia Islam more than Sunni Islam because in all the books and the Prophets ahadis, Hazrat Ali is more evident in becoming the successor. But no even they are false. Everyone is kafir other than Sunnis, right? You're the only people who deserve to go to heaven because you're calling people kafir? Way to go.
Sunni hazraat. Rasul boltay hai kay kafir ko bhi kafir na bolo, aur yahan tum log aik Allah aur aik nabi ko mannay walon par lanat boltay ho. What is wrong with all of you people. The fact is you keep denying all the facts and proofs of the holy prophet (pbuh) that Ali (as) was his successor. Your aalims say that Gadheer was right and yes the Holy Prophet did call Hazrat Ali(as) our maula, but then you reject that he never mentioned caliphate. What stupid excuses is this. Now lets ask you people some simple questions. Where did the Prophet (pbuh) ever mention that after him abu bakr, umar, or usman should get caliphate? And this is the weirdest part for me. Ayesha, a wife of the prophet goes to war? Isnt jihad haram on women? But she comes on top of a camel with intent to kill the prophets son in law? To widow the Prophets (pbuh) daughter? Good islam for you. Englishmen, who learn and read about Islamic history have agreed with Shia Islam more than Sunni Islam because in all the books and the Prophets ahadis, Hazrat Ali is more evident in becoming the successor. But no even they are false. Everyone is kafir other than Sunnis, right? You're the only people who deserve to go to heaven because you're calling people kafir? Way to go.
Dear Sobia,
whatever u say but the fact is that Umar has introduced the bidat of Tarawih and he himself has accepted it. My question is why prophet had not ask people to pray those sunnat prayer in congregation and who told UMar to do the same. ?????
Introducing anything in deen is a Bidat and Umar has introduced this thing in Islam and due to which people are praying tarawih which is not practice by Prophet.
Sunnat prayers should be prayed individually except Eid prayer.
Doing any amal which is not recommended by Prophet has no rewards
Dear Sobia,
What .....Huffaz of that time were dying of plaque ???!!!!
Where from u got this nonsense stuff???!!!
Hazrat Umar has introduced the system of Tarawih and it is a fact. And he has no reason to ask people to pray in congregation when Prophet(SAWA) had not done it.
Regarding Muharram and its practices
None of the shia says it is Wajib to do Matam. Matam has nothing to do with the Halaal and Haraam of Islam. It is not like Salat , fasting or Hajj which is Wajib and neither it is like Alcoholism or gambling which is Haraam in Islam.
Muharrum and its practices are done by Shias as a condolences and love for Imam Husain who was brutally killed by Yazid's forces.
In Muharram , Shias all over the world expresses their love and sorrow for the family of Prophet(SAWA).
Yes mourning of dead should be for 3 days but Imam Husain case is an exception. His great sacrifice should not forgotten so easily.
And to prove the importance of this LOVE there is an ayat in Quran which says : " Say, I dont ask you any reward for it except the love for my near Kins "
On what basis Umar was given the glad tiding of Heaven ?????
What was his contribution in the battles fought during the time of Prophet(SAWA) ???
Was he a very knowledgeable companion of Prophet(SAWA)??
What noteworthy act of him qualify him for such a position.???
These fake traditions of excellence of Umar were manufactured during the time of Banu Umayya to justify his unjust occupation of Khilafat.
INNA LILLAH E WA INA ELLEHI RAJION
In islam we should follow sahaba. Whosoever denies sahaba he will become kafir.
Prophet stated: ‘After my time, people will see much differences occurring. In such a condition, it is
compulsory upon you that you hold firmly to my Sunnah and the rightly guided path of the Khulafa Rashideen.’
(Mishkaat Masabih).
Prophet said, "Whoever abuses my Companions, upon them is the curse of Allah, the angels and all the people" [Saheeh, At-Tabaranee].
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