This issue has been a matter of debate since times immemorial and it is this issue which in fact explains why the Shias bear enmity toward some sahabas that the Sunnis deem to be their heroes.
The Event of burning of House of Janabe Fatema Zehra(s.a):
The Sunnis first of all have the approach of straight away denying the event, and when cornered say that the sources are not authentic and hence unreliable. Let us take the bull straight by its horns, and quote few references from authentic sunni sources.
First Reference: al Imama wa al Siyasa, pages 18-30, Dhikr Bayya Abu Bakr, by Abu Muhammad Abdullah bin Muslim bin Qutaybah
"When news reached Abu Bakr that the people had gathered in the house of 'Ali and were refusing to give bayya, he sent Hadhrath Umar in their direction. Umar called out to Akraan who was in the house of 'Ali, but he refused to come out. Umar then said: 'I swear by He who controls the life of Umar, if you people do not come out of the house I shall set fire to it, and everyone inside shall perish.
The people said 'Abu'l Hafs (Umar), Fatima (daughter of Rasulullah (s)) is also in this house'. Umar replied, 'I do not care about this, people should leave the house of 'Ali and give bayya'. 'Ali replied I have sworn that I shall not set foot outside my home until I have completed compiling the Qur'an.'
Sayyida Fatima arrived at the door and said: 'I have no association with those individuals that acted in such a manner as to abandon the funeral of Rasulullah (s) (ie Abu Bakr, Umar and co), and on this matter (leadership) they decided themselves (ie stole the khilafat), they did not even so much as consult us. They also took that which was rightfully ours (Fadak).
Umar then left and he began to dispute with Abu Bakr, 'Do not leave (in peace) those that are refusing to give bayya'. Abu Bakr then sent his servant Qunfaaz to summon 'Ali. Qunfaaz reached 'Ali and said 'The Khalifa of Rasulullah (s) is summoning you'. 'Ali replied (mocking this new title of Abu Bakr) 'You have gone against the words of Rasulullah (s)'. Qunfaaz relayed these words to Abu Bakr, upon hearing this he (Abu Bakr) spent a considerable amount of time weeping. Despite his sending his Servant, 'Ali still did not come.
Then Hadhrath Umar accompanied by a group, arrived at the house of Fatima and began to bang on the door. When Fatima heard their voices she proclaimed loudly:
'O people, after Rasulullah (s), the son of Khattab..'
When the people heard Fatima's voice and her anguish they left in grief weeping, fearing that their hearts would be torn apart… Only Umar and some others remained, the rest returned to their homes. They removed 'Ali from his home by force and brought him before Abu Bakr, and said 'Give him bayya'. Umar said:'By Allah, who alone is worthy of worship, I shall otherwise strike off your neck'.
'Ali replied:
'Would you kill a Slave of Allah (swt) and the brother of the Prophet?'
Umar replied:
'I accept that to you are a Slave of Allah, but not that you are the brother of the Prophet (ie he accuses Ali (as) of lying)'.
Abu Bakr remained silent, and Umar said:
'Why are you not demanding the bayya from him?'
Abu Bakr replied 'As long as Fatima is by his side, I shall not pressure him'.
Then 'Ali went to the grave of Rasulullah, embraced it crying aloud 'Your Ummah now considers me to be weak and they wish to murder me'. Meanwhile Umar said to Abu Bakr 'Accompany me to see Fatima as we have incurred her anger'.
They both wanted to see Fatima and so they approached 'Ali, who took them to see her. He ['Ali] sat them down but Sayyida Fatima turned her face away from them. They both conveyed salaam to Fatima but she did not reply. Hadhrath Abu Bakr then said 'Beloved daughter of Rasulullah (s) I love you more than my own daughters, and I cannot tolerate the fact that I remained alive on the day that your father had died. I know your exalted rank and status, but I did not uphold your claim for possessions as Rasulullah had stated 'Our property will not be inherited, whatever we (i.e. prophets) leave is Sadaqa (to be used for charity)'.
Fatima said 'If I remind the two of you about a hadith that you are aware of, will you then act in accordance with it?'
The two said 'Yes, do tell us'.
She said 'I want you to swear by Allah if you can testify to hearing this hadith:
"Fatima's happiness is my happiness and her anger is my anger. Whoever has maintained friendship with Fatima had maintained friendship with me, whoever upsets her, upsets me".
Both confirmed hearing this hadith from Rasulullah(s). Sayyida Fatima then said: I testify before Allah (swt) and his Angels that you (Abu Bakr and Umar) have upset me, you did not keep me happy and I shall complain to Rasulullah (s) about this when I see him.
Abu Bakr then said 'I seek protection from Allah's anger and your (the Prophet (saws)'s) anger'. At that moment tears filled Abu Bakr's eyes and Sayyida Fatima said:
'I shall curse you in every prayer.'
Abu Bakr left the house hysterical and screamed at the crowd of people that had gathered outside:
'You people have it (so) easy and go to your beds in peace with your wives at night, whilst you have engulfed me in a terrible crisis (of conscience). I do not need your bayya, revoke the bayya that has been given to me.'
The people said 'Khalifa of Rasulullah (s) the Khilafat cannot work without you at the helm'.
Second Reference: • Tareekh Abul Fida Urdu translation by Maulana Karrem'ud Deen al Hanafi pages 177-179, by Abu al-Fida 'Imad al-Din Isma'il b. 'Umar
Then Abu Bakr sent Umar bin Khattab with the objective that those 'people gathered in the house of Fatima and Ali come out, and that if anyone objects to coming out then you should fight them'. Hadrath Umar approached with fire in his hands to set the house ablaze. At this point Hadhrath Fatima approached and said 'Where are you going, Ibn Khattab? Do you wish to set my home on fire? Umar said 'Give bayya to 'Abu Bakr and enter into that which the majority of the Ummah has agreed to."
Third Reference: al-Aqdul Fareed by Ibn Abd Rabbah al-Malik,
"Those that were opposed to the bayya of Abu Bakr were 'Ali, Abbas, Zubayr and Sa'd bin Ubada, amongst whom 'Ali and Abbas were sitting in the house of Fatima. At that time Abu Bakr sent Umar with the order 'that you remove those gathered in the house of Fatima, and if they refuse to come out then kill them'. Umar brought fire to the door and Fatima said 'Ibn Khattab have you arrived in order to set my home on fire?'. Umar replied 'I have come with the intention that you people give bayya to Abu Bakr as others have done".
There are many reference which could be quoted from authentic sunni books but to keep it short we quote only the above three.
Conclusion:
1. Abubakr sent Umar to the house of Hazrat Ali (a.s.) to secure their bayyah, and to kill them if they refused.
The Sunnis first of all have the approach of straight away denying the event, and when cornered say that the sources are not authentic and hence unreliable. Let us take the bull straight by its horns, and quote few references from authentic sunni sources.
First Reference: al Imama wa al Siyasa, pages 18-30, Dhikr Bayya Abu Bakr, by Abu Muhammad Abdullah bin Muslim bin Qutaybah
"When news reached Abu Bakr that the people had gathered in the house of 'Ali and were refusing to give bayya, he sent Hadhrath Umar in their direction. Umar called out to Akraan who was in the house of 'Ali, but he refused to come out. Umar then said: 'I swear by He who controls the life of Umar, if you people do not come out of the house I shall set fire to it, and everyone inside shall perish.
The people said 'Abu'l Hafs (Umar), Fatima (daughter of Rasulullah (s)) is also in this house'. Umar replied, 'I do not care about this, people should leave the house of 'Ali and give bayya'. 'Ali replied I have sworn that I shall not set foot outside my home until I have completed compiling the Qur'an.'
Sayyida Fatima arrived at the door and said: 'I have no association with those individuals that acted in such a manner as to abandon the funeral of Rasulullah (s) (ie Abu Bakr, Umar and co), and on this matter (leadership) they decided themselves (ie stole the khilafat), they did not even so much as consult us. They also took that which was rightfully ours (Fadak).
Umar then left and he began to dispute with Abu Bakr, 'Do not leave (in peace) those that are refusing to give bayya'. Abu Bakr then sent his servant Qunfaaz to summon 'Ali. Qunfaaz reached 'Ali and said 'The Khalifa of Rasulullah (s) is summoning you'. 'Ali replied (mocking this new title of Abu Bakr) 'You have gone against the words of Rasulullah (s)'. Qunfaaz relayed these words to Abu Bakr, upon hearing this he (Abu Bakr) spent a considerable amount of time weeping. Despite his sending his Servant, 'Ali still did not come.
Then Hadhrath Umar accompanied by a group, arrived at the house of Fatima and began to bang on the door. When Fatima heard their voices she proclaimed loudly:
'O people, after Rasulullah (s), the son of Khattab..'
When the people heard Fatima's voice and her anguish they left in grief weeping, fearing that their hearts would be torn apart… Only Umar and some others remained, the rest returned to their homes. They removed 'Ali from his home by force and brought him before Abu Bakr, and said 'Give him bayya'. Umar said:'By Allah, who alone is worthy of worship, I shall otherwise strike off your neck'.
'Ali replied:
'Would you kill a Slave of Allah (swt) and the brother of the Prophet?'
Umar replied:
'I accept that to you are a Slave of Allah, but not that you are the brother of the Prophet (ie he accuses Ali (as) of lying)'.
Abu Bakr remained silent, and Umar said:
'Why are you not demanding the bayya from him?'
Abu Bakr replied 'As long as Fatima is by his side, I shall not pressure him'.
Then 'Ali went to the grave of Rasulullah, embraced it crying aloud 'Your Ummah now considers me to be weak and they wish to murder me'. Meanwhile Umar said to Abu Bakr 'Accompany me to see Fatima as we have incurred her anger'.
They both wanted to see Fatima and so they approached 'Ali, who took them to see her. He ['Ali] sat them down but Sayyida Fatima turned her face away from them. They both conveyed salaam to Fatima but she did not reply. Hadhrath Abu Bakr then said 'Beloved daughter of Rasulullah (s) I love you more than my own daughters, and I cannot tolerate the fact that I remained alive on the day that your father had died. I know your exalted rank and status, but I did not uphold your claim for possessions as Rasulullah had stated 'Our property will not be inherited, whatever we (i.e. prophets) leave is Sadaqa (to be used for charity)'.
Fatima said 'If I remind the two of you about a hadith that you are aware of, will you then act in accordance with it?'
The two said 'Yes, do tell us'.
She said 'I want you to swear by Allah if you can testify to hearing this hadith:
"Fatima's happiness is my happiness and her anger is my anger. Whoever has maintained friendship with Fatima had maintained friendship with me, whoever upsets her, upsets me".
Both confirmed hearing this hadith from Rasulullah(s). Sayyida Fatima then said: I testify before Allah (swt) and his Angels that you (Abu Bakr and Umar) have upset me, you did not keep me happy and I shall complain to Rasulullah (s) about this when I see him.
Abu Bakr then said 'I seek protection from Allah's anger and your (the Prophet (saws)'s) anger'. At that moment tears filled Abu Bakr's eyes and Sayyida Fatima said:
'I shall curse you in every prayer.'
Abu Bakr left the house hysterical and screamed at the crowd of people that had gathered outside:
'You people have it (so) easy and go to your beds in peace with your wives at night, whilst you have engulfed me in a terrible crisis (of conscience). I do not need your bayya, revoke the bayya that has been given to me.'
The people said 'Khalifa of Rasulullah (s) the Khilafat cannot work without you at the helm'.
Second Reference: • Tareekh Abul Fida Urdu translation by Maulana Karrem'ud Deen al Hanafi pages 177-179, by Abu al-Fida 'Imad al-Din Isma'il b. 'Umar
Then Abu Bakr sent Umar bin Khattab with the objective that those 'people gathered in the house of Fatima and Ali come out, and that if anyone objects to coming out then you should fight them'. Hadrath Umar approached with fire in his hands to set the house ablaze. At this point Hadhrath Fatima approached and said 'Where are you going, Ibn Khattab? Do you wish to set my home on fire? Umar said 'Give bayya to 'Abu Bakr and enter into that which the majority of the Ummah has agreed to."
Third Reference: al-Aqdul Fareed by Ibn Abd Rabbah al-Malik,
"Those that were opposed to the bayya of Abu Bakr were 'Ali, Abbas, Zubayr and Sa'd bin Ubada, amongst whom 'Ali and Abbas were sitting in the house of Fatima. At that time Abu Bakr sent Umar with the order 'that you remove those gathered in the house of Fatima, and if they refuse to come out then kill them'. Umar brought fire to the door and Fatima said 'Ibn Khattab have you arrived in order to set my home on fire?'. Umar replied 'I have come with the intention that you people give bayya to Abu Bakr as others have done".
There are many reference which could be quoted from authentic sunni books but to keep it short we quote only the above three.
Conclusion:
1. Abubakr sent Umar to the house of Hazrat Ali (a.s.) to secure their bayyah, and to kill them if they refused.
2.Umar was very angry at that moment
3.He was so angry that he threatened to burn down the House of Hazrat Ali (a.s.) with all its inhabitants if the people failed to come out.
4. Umar was carrying fire in his hands.
5.Umar didn’t care that the daughter of the Prophet (s.a.w.w.) was in the house and he intended to burn her alive.
6. Abubakr , Umar and party had not attended the funeral of the Holy Prophet (s.a.)
7. They had usurped the khilafat.
8. They had usurped the right of the daughter of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.w.).
9. Umar persuaded Abubakr to take further action. And sent his slave Qunfuz to call Hazrat Ali (a.s.)
10.Abubakr and party had gone against the orders of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.w.)
11.When taunted by Hazrat Ali (a.s.) about his new acquired title Abubakr began to cry knowing that he was wrong.
12.Umar once again went to the House of Hazrat Ali (a.s.) and banged on the door, telling the people to come out and threatened them once again.
13.Umar and party dragged Hazrat Ali (as) forcibly to the presence of Abubakr and forcibly tried to extract allegiance from him.
14. Abubakr and Umar threatened to kill Hazrat Ali (as).
15. Abubakr ,Umar and party accused Hazrat Ali (as) of lying.
16. Hazrat Ali (as) complained about their behavior to the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.w.)
17. Abubakr and Umar went to seek pardon of Janabe Fatema (s.a.) as they had angered her.
18. They conveyed their salams to which the daughter of the Prophet (s.a.w.w.) did not reply. (It should be noted that in Islam giving an answer of salam is compulsory except answering a disbeliever.)
19. Abubakr and Umar had upset the daughter of the Holy Prophet and she was not happy with them.
20. The daughter of the Prophet (s.a.w.w.) used to curse Abubakr and Umar in every prayers.
21. Abubakr became hysterical on hearing the curse of the daughter of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.w.) and revoked his allegiance.
The daughter of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.w.) suffered a miscarriage due to the actions of Umar .
Reference 1: Sharh Kushaiji page 407
Abubakr sent Umar when Hazrat Ali (as) had refused to give bayya to Abubakr. Umar went with fire and this caused the daughter of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.w.) distress as a result of which she suffered a miscarriage.
Reference 2: Abdul Kareem Shahrastani in abubakar(la) Milal wa Nihal volume page 77
Umar struck the stomach of the daughter of Holy Prophet (s.a.w.w.) that resulted in her losing the child in her womb.Umar had threatened to set fire to the house, including those inside, this included Hazrat Ali (as), the daughter of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.w.), Hasan, Husayn and others.
Reference3: Hanafi scholar Muhaddith Shah Abdul Haqq Dehlavi in Murujj Nubuwwa Chapter 4 writes.
Allah (s.w.t.) gave the daughter of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.w.) following five children, Hasan, Husayn, Zainab, Umme Kulthum and Mohsin, who was martyred following the Ummah’s oppression , this illness and pain led to the death of the daughter of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.w.).
Analysis:
I request the readers to honestly tell that did the HouseHold of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.w.) deserve such type of treatment, as meted out to them by Umar , Abubakr and party. Was the daughter of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.w.) happy with their treatment. Would the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.w.) be happy at what was done with his progeny immediately after his demise.
Final Conclusion
The Holy Prophet (s.a.w.w.) and his progeny were the best of Allah (s.w.t.)’s creation and Umar and Abubakr who opposed them, misbehaved with them and even threatened to burn them alive were the worst of the creation.
Now have you got the answer to why Shias hate Abu Bakr and Umar and those companions of Holy Prophet(s.a.w) who misbehaved with his progeny.
Important Note: Shias love and respect all companions of Holy Prophet(s.a.w) except those who mistreated and killed the progeny of Holy Prophet(s.a.w).
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What the heck..?? Stop making stories all by yourself. All the sahabas loved each other and they cant think of disrespecting each other.. For ALLAH's sake stop spreading rumours about the beloved sahabas,,,
Dear Annonymous,
These are not heck??
And are not stories.
These things are found in Sunni and Shia Books. Why dont you go and find the truth??
What type of love of Sahabas is this that Aisha - wife of Prophet(SAWA) came to battlefield ( battle of Jamal ) to fight the Caliph of muslim - Ali(AS) ???
What type of love of Sahabas is this that Muawiya- the so called Katib e Wahi fought a bloody battle( battle of Siffeen) with the Caliph of Muslim- Ali (AS) ???
What type of love of Sahabas is this that the beloved grandson of Prophet (SAWA)- Imam Hussain (AS) killed by the son of Muawiya and son of Saad ibn Abi Waqqas ???
What type of love of Sahabas is this that some of the Sahabas ran for their life in the battle of Ohud leaving Prophet(SAWA) and some sahabas alone to fight the enemies ???
What type of love of Sahabas is this that Fatima - the beloved daughter came to the court of Abu Bakr to demand her right of Fadak ?? And still it was not given to her.
What type of love of Sahabas is this that during the time of Uthman - the Banu Umayyah grew richer and richer and Banu Hashim were oppressed denied their rights in public treasury ??
What type of love of Sahabas is this that during the battle among the early Sahabas thousands of innocent Muslims lost their lives ???
please answer , these are not rumours. These things are found in history. Do you anything to say on this ......
bring some authentic reference for me.. and other Muslim brothers this is not enough.. as far as .. religion is concerned.. Religion is what is in Holy Quran.. and what our Prophet Mohammad (P.B.U.H) said.. secondly there is no authentication.. of what is written in history because history is a myth , Nobody has a true idea what is right and what is wrong. Thirdly we all are Muslims first then sunii,shiya,brelwi or what ever.. and the last but not the least. One can never accept these words from Hazrat Fatima(R.A) the daughter of our Holy Prophet (As quoted " I shall curse you in every prayer " ) Not acceptable from her... Anti Islamic people created these confusions to drive away from the right path. kindly use your imaginations and stop focusing on history books which every religious scholar has written.. Read Holy Quran. and find Hadiths which you find true. this is all propaganda sorry to say but it is... try to use your mind.. how the Muslim brothers could do all this as they lived together in every think and thin.. Its not the time to fight for shiya or sunii its the time to unite ourselves and fight against the enemies of our religion Islam. As I said we are Muslims first then suni or shiya or anyother sect whatever.... So please my request is to spread the message of love and harmony that time is gone its not the time to fight for the Past.. Its the time to unite and stand together for further no more loss of our any brother...
May God be with you and bless you.
My Dear Brother Mr. Anonymous,
You are absolutely right in saying that we are muslim first and we must unite and stand together.
You may be aware of the killing of Shias by so called JIhadis all over the world.
I ask you for the sake of Allah and his Prophet(SAWA), tell me, who are these people who are spreading false propaganda against Shias that Shias are Kafir. If u kill even one Shia you will directly go to Jannat.
Tell me, is this the Islam which Prophet(SAWA) has brought ????
Even for the sake of argument if we accept that we shias are Kafir according to you.
Does it give the people the right to kill innocent shias , including women and children on the street through suicide bombing????
how will you justify this??
In Quran it is written : " LAKUM DEENA KUM WA LE YA DEEN " ( Your religion with you and my religion be with me )
Does the Quran authorize the killing of innocent people who are in no way danger to you or your people??
You said : It is difficult to believe that Fatima(SA) said : " I shall curse you in every prayer "
Dont you know it is written in SAHIH BUKHARI , the most authentic book after Quran for Sunnis that Fatima went to the court of Abu Bakr and demanded FADAK which Abu Bakr denied her by quoting a weak tradition.
Is it not an oppression on her that the only beloved daughter of Prophet(SAWA) - the leader of women of the world, for whom the Prophet(SAWA) said : " The one who angered her angered me " demanded her right and was not given to her. Due to which she got angry on Abu Bakr (Refer Shaih Bukhari ).
We cannot believe that FADAK was not her right and still she demanded because she is the most truthful one and Prophet(SAWA) had taken her to MUBAHALA against the Christian of the NAJRAN to curse the liars.
And later on when ALI prevented himself from giving pledge of Allegiance to Abu BAkr , he was dragged from his house and his house was burned by Umar and his comrades.
These things are found not in just one or two books but it is found in innumerable Shia and Sunni books. Still you are adamant to believe that all these history and all these writers are liars ???
Can I ask you what proof do you against these historians and writers ???
Why these researchers have written these thing in their books ???
If you do not trust these people then how are you going to get the traditions of Prophet(SAWA) after 1400 years???
Well,
I ask you few questions straightforwardly which you have to reply.
Q. Why Prophet(SAWA) didnt appoint a Caliph after him ??? ( most of the differences and the bloodshed among the Muslim took place on the matter of Caliphate )
Q. Why Prophet(SAWA) remained silent on such a sensitive matter when his DEEN was there to remain till QAYAMAT and no new prophet would come after him ???
Q. Why people left Ali (AS) and follow Abu Bakr ???;
when there is clear tradition of the Prophet(SAWA) that I"I am the city of knowledge and Ali(AS) is its Gate "
Q. Why Abu BAkr didnt accept the Quran compiled by Ali (AS) just after 3 days after the demise of Prophet(SAWA) ???
Q. Why do we not find many traditions from AhlulBayt (Progeny of Prophet(SAWA))- i.e. ALI ,Fatima ,Hasan and Hussain ) in First 6 most authentic Sunni Books ???
Q. Why Bukhari and Muslim quoted traditions from Aisha but not from Fatima(AS) who was more knowledgeable and most close to Prophet(SAWA) ??
There are many more things ...
Now you tell .. Dont you think anything fishy in all this ???
Conclusion : The reason for difference in the Muslim society and their backwardness is due to their leaving Ahlul Bayt ( Progeny of Prophet(SAWA)) and trust in other people.
Our purpose here is that the people should understand that the true Islam is only with the Ahlul Bayt and no other person is qualified enough to intepretate the Quran Ayats and Sunnah of Prophet(SAWA) better than Ahlul Bayt (AS) .
Prophet of Allah Doe'snt Speak Lie and our beloved prophet Muhammad S A W Said
Sayings of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w):Hazrat Umer e Farooq r.a
1. I see that devil either from humans or jinn, runs away from Umar. (Tirimzi)
2. I saw in a dream that I was given a bowl of milk which I drunk and remaining I gave it to Umar. (Tirimzi)
3. No doubt, ALLAH has issue truth, on the tongue and in the heart of Umar. (Tirimzi)
4. I saw a dream that I am in the Heaven, there I saw Rameesa (my quilt aunt) and I heard someone's footstep, I asked: who is this?. I was answered: it is Bilal and I saw a palace with a handmaid standing in front of it, I asked: whose palace is this?. She said: Umar bin Khattab's. I wished to see it from inside but, Oh Umar!, I divided my attention from your shame. Hazrat Umar (r.a) said: My father and mother be sacrificed upon You, should I ponder from Your saying?. (Bukhari)
5. If some else Prophet should have been proposed by ALLAH after me, would have been Umar bin Khattab. (Tirimzi)
So stop doing propaganda about Loved ones of our Prophet as it is disobedience of Prophet and leads to the disobedience of Allah
Conclusion:
anyone blaming the Shahba should himself who is he
Blaming such a Noble personalities is Planning of Hell for yourself
Dear Brother from Education Help Desk ,
You are forced to believe these traditions about Umar because they are found in the most authentic books for sunnis after Quran.
But do you know that Abu Hurayra and others have fabricated many traditions in praise of Abu Bakr , Umar and Uthman and others to elevate their positions ???
This was done to keep muslims away from AhlulBayt. I can prove this.
You see the first 6 most authentic books of Sunnis ( Sahih Bukhari,Muslim,Tirmidhi,Ibn Majah, Sunan e Abi Dawood, Mustradak ). If you careful analyse the narrators of Traditions , you will come to know that very few traditions are taken from Fatima(SA) , ALI(AS) ,HASAN(AS) and HUSAIN(AS).
Ahle Bayt(AS) were the closest , most pious and most knowledgeable people after Prophet(SAWA). Still we see these books narrating so less traditions from Ahlul Bayt(AS).
On the contrary we see thouands of traditions narrated from Aisha - the wife of Prophet(SAWA) who fought a battle ( battle of Jamal) with Hazrat Ali(AS).
This shows that the authors of these books were bias and they did not do justice to the family of Prophet(SAWA). Hence it is very difficult to believe the traditions found in these books which are devoid of the traditions from BAB E ILM ( Gate of Knowledge - Ali(AS)).
Dear Brother,
Ali(AS) was not only brave but also the most knowledgeable companion of the Prophet(SAWA). I ask you why do we find so less traditions from ALI (AS) in sunni books.
You should know that in the early days of Islam, many authentic traditions of Prophet(SAWA) were lost and burnt. Umar and Abu Bakr had stopped people from narrating traditions.Umar had once beaten Abu Hurayrah for narrative excessive and fake traditions.
One very important point which I want to highlight here and all our sunni brothers are requested to ponder over it is :-
How could Abu Hurayrah who stayed with Prophet(SAWA) only for 3 years narrated traditions more than the traditions narrated by all 4 four Caliphs taken together ???
Muawiya - who was the arch enemy of Hazrat Ali(AS) used to curse Ali (AS) from the pulpit and used to pay handsomely those people who used to fabricate traditions.
Due to all these many fake and fabricated traditions about some of the companions of Prophet(SAWA) have found place in many of the books.
Otherwise what was the contribution of Umar during the life of Prophet(SAWA) that devil would run away from him.
On the contrary we see Umar involve in some of the serious crime during the lifetime of Prophet(SAWA). To name a few ;
Umar running away in the battle of Uhud.
Umar doubting the Prophethood of Prophet(SAWA) during the treaty of Hudaibiya.
Umar denying pen and paper to the Prophet(SAWA) and insulting the Prophet(SAWA) by saying that he is in a state of delirium.
Abu BAkr and Umar denied Fadak to the daughter of Prophet(SA) and becoming the cause of her anger (Sahih Bukhari)
Why would Allah make Umar a Prophet when in a major part of his life he was an idol worshipper ?? Can u prove any prophet worshipping idols before becoming a prophet ??.
We dont find any incident in history which prove that Umar was very knowledgeable.
And Umar was not brave because we dont see in history any person killed by Umar in the battlefield.
Yes ,we see Umar saying : IF ALI HAD NOT BEEN THERE I WOULD HAVE PERISHED
How can we believe in the traditons quoted by you when we see in the history so many crimes and blunder of these companions???
Everywhere we see Ali(AS) protecting Islam and defending islam, through his sword and through his knowledge.
So our conclusion is : All these traditions in praise of Umar and Abu Bakr are fabricated one as these people have not done anything significant for propogating and protecting Islam.
R not these historical event by gone....why we to base the whole sect (shia) on history and battles...why you keep dragging these things in majalis and networks....Allah is the judge of who was right and who was wrong ....those were the Companions and Akabreen...don't muddle their name in mud just because of some books....stop doing this
If there is nothing in history why Quran has narrated the incidents of past prophets ?? Why Quran has criticized the wrongdoers of the past??. Why Allah has cursed Satan, Nimrood and Firaun ??? By your logic these things are past so they are gone, right !!!! The reasons for narrating these incidents in majalis and network is so that people should follow the real
successor or Prophet(SAWA) and should avoid following the fake one.
Quran says in Surah Faateha, Ayat No. 6-7 Guide us to the straight path -The path of those upon whom You have bestowed favor, not of those who have evoked [Your] anger or of those who are astray.
Unless you know who are the people to be followed how are you going to follow them ??
And dear, we shia dont require to prove our faith from history and battle ,we can very easily prove it from Quran and traditions.
Why are you people so obsessed about Companionship ???Wouldn't you be the companion of Prophet if you were born at that time ?
Being a Companion didnt prove them to be infallible ??
The incident of burning the door is found in innumerable shia and sunni books. So why not accept the fact and curse the wrongdoers. Yes Allah is the best Judge and He will punish the wrongdoers. But Allah does not like people following the wrong doers so He will also questioned the people for following and loving the wrong doers on the day of Qayamat. So please stop loving the killer of the beloved daughter of Prophet(SAWA). This is a humble request to all our sunni brothers.
If some people had killed the daughter of Prophet(SAWA) they are definitely going to be humiliated on the Day of Qayamat.
What is the big thing if they were companions ? Allah has cursed Abu Lahab in Quran because of his hatred for the Prophet(SAWA)!!
Alhlu Bayt are the pure progeny of Prophet(SAWA).So why not take our religion from them ??
Jo Rasool(s.a.w.a) ko maidan-e-jang me akela chhor ke chala aaye. Woh sahi me Islaam ka chahne wala ho hi nahi Sakta (yes, Dikhawa zaroor kar sakta hai), chahe woh fir sahaba hi kyu na ho..... Jin ke liye Khelafat paana Rasool(s.a.w.a) ke Janaze me aane se zyada maayne rakhta ho, waise so called khaleefa k baare me aur kya kahaa jaye..
what can i say...... you people are in serious trouble. Allah hum sab ko hidayat day aur sedhe raste pay chalne ki toufeeq ata farmaye...
Am not A Sunni or Shia either but what i ve read here is very logical words from shia sect! So if anyone who has authentic proofs shall narrate plz coz i wanna know what is true n what is false n then i ll decide which side i should choose! Thanks :-)
Bhai
mjay bs is baat ka jawab day dain app Hazoor(SAW) nay jo bashartain di Hazrat Umer(r.a)
aur Hazrat Abubakar(r.a) ko.... To phr aap un ka faisla galat kaho gay??? Hazoor (SAW) ka faisla Khuda ka faisla ....aur khuda kabhi galati nai krta...agr un k faisaly ko galat kehna hay to khud ko galat keh rahay ho naoz.billah.... Aur kya aap meri is baat say agree krtay ho k Beshak HAZOOR(SAW) jo b kehtay hain wo khuda ki taraf say wahi ota ha... Agr han to Phr Hazoor(SAW) ka faisla na galat tha na ho sakta....aur Na Hazrat Abubakar(r.a) aur hazarat Umer (R.A) galat o saktay...... Bhai ISlam to 4 sahabi karaam k bagair pura e ni ota.....Jitni Qurbanian In 4ron ki hain...To sawal e nai paida ota k wo kisi haqeer c cheez k liye lartay..... Sahi Study krain Sab Sahaiz(r.a) ki aur phr apnay dil say faisla krain....
SHIAS ARE KAFIR, OK MR ABDULLAH, TELL ME ABOUT MUTTAH, DO U THINK IT IS GOOD IN ANY SENSE TO PERFORM ILLEGAL SEX WITH A STRANGER WOMAN JUST FOR YOUR OWN PLEASURE, I HAVE HEARD U SHIAS PERFORM MUTTAH TOO OFTEN
You Mr. Anonymous,
Before calling Shias KAfir why dont you go and read the beliefs of Shias in Tauheed, Adl, Nabuwat , Imamat and Qayamat.
As far as Mutah is concern, there are so many posts on mutah on this website. Why dont you go and read the posts and then come to any conclusion.
Stupid chap, Mutah is not an illegal sex with a stranger woman. It is a temporary marriage with all the conditions of marriage such as Sigha, Mehr etc.It was allowed at the time of Prophet SAWA and Prophet(SAWA) did not prohibit it. Later Umar banned it.
The child born out of the Mutah is legitimate. And one woman can marry one man at a time and then she had to observe IDDAT ( waiting period).
Tell me, are any such conditions exists in Adultery or Prostitution.???
ACCORDING TO WE SHIAS, IT IS HARAM TO PERFORM ILLEGAL SEX( sexual intercourse without marriage - temporary or permanent ) WITH ANY WOMAN AND IT IS GUNAHANE KABIRA ( GREAT SIN)
Mr. Usman Khalid,
Kya aap bata sakte hai kaunse qurbani abu bakr, umar aur usman ne islam k khatir di. Humne to tarikh me har jagah Huzoor ki madad karte hue Ali ko paya. Shabe hijrat - Rasool k bister per so k Ali ne Huzoor ki jaan bachayi. Uhud me jab sabhi ashaab Huzoor ko akele chodkar bhaag gaye to Ali (AS) ne unki jaan bachayi. Ali ne Khaibar, badr aur Khandaq me Musalmaano ko fateh dilayi. Ali aur aulad e Ali ne Rasool ke ilm ko phelaya.
Rasool ne Ali ko logon ka maula ghadeer me banaya. lekin in 3 Khalifa ne Ali ki haq ko gasb kiya aur unhe khilafat se door rakhha. Yaha tak k zabardasti Ali se bayat bhi talab ki. rasool ki beti ko fadak dene se inkaar kiya aur unhe takleef di aur baad me unki ghar ko jalaya gaya aur wo shahid ho gayien.
Kya se sab ki baad bhi aap maante hai ki abu bakr,umar aur usman ne islam aur rasool k liye kuch kiya ???
Mr Abdullah these books you refer are written by hypocrite people like you
Mr. Anonymous, the weapon which the liar used against the people is slandering, which you are using because you are a weak person.
Who gave you the certificate to call Shias as Hypocrites ????
Are you a truthful person ??
It is because of people like you that today muslims are referred as terrorist.
Almighty Allah bless us with the right path
Bhai koi hai as duniya MN jo sach ka samna Kary
Bibi Zainab (RA) has rightly cursed them till Qayamat.. They are only good at making stories. IDIOTS do not know that Major laws passed in times of khilafat of Hazrat Umar (slavery/Divorce/Salaries/Sharia compilation) had stamp of guidance/approval/suggestions/directions of Hazrar Ali (RA).. Does this not show u close relationship Ali shared with Umar
Huzur (saw) n farmaya meri ummat ka jo firqa galat hoga usme kabhi Koi wali paida nhi hoga. Or Shia m Aaj tak Koi wali nahi hua h na hoga
Bhaijan, Baraye meherbani iska reference de dijiye, WALI wali Hadees jo aap ne rasool-Allah (s.a.w.) se mansoob ki hai.
with all due respect, anybody would like to tell me what is this?
Khalifa Umar had a gay/homosexual guy at his home.
Sahih Al-Bukhari,Volume 8, Book 82, Number 820:
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
The Prophet cursed the effeminate men and those women who assume the similitude (manners) of men. He also said, "Turn them out of your houses." He turned such-and-such person out, and 'Umar also turned out such-and-such person.
لعنۃ اللہ علی الشیعہ
Anam farhad,
Shiayon per laanat karne k bajae Umar per laanat karo jiski pairvi ISIS waale kar rahe hain aur Islam ruswa ho raha hai.
Companion aur Dost to her insan soch samajh ker select kerta hay; Aur yeh to RasoolSAWW hain jin ka aik aik amal Allah tala uper say solve kertay jatey hain; Rasool SAW ka her faislah hum Aap kon hotay hain criticize kernay walay,Chahey woh unkay companion-ship ka faislah ho, ya Marriages ka faislah, jun ko Umat ki Maain, Umul-Umat kaha Gaya. Baqi sub History-Writers ki kahanian hain her sal new additions kay sath jaisay text books her sal kahanian ya words change ker laitee hain, kionkeh Tafarqah-Bazi aur Musalmanoon kay dermian Hatered aisay hi Phalai Ja sakti hay, Yahoodi us waqat bhi Tafarqah phalatay thy aur Ajkul bhi..Hum kon hotay hain RasoolSAW kay alfazaur Quran ki Qismon per kahawtain nerrate kernay walay, Jubkeh Allah talla fermatey hain keh maira koi hukam Quran ka yah Rasool ka Qiamat tak nahin badal sakta. Aap jitney merzi logic lara lain Quran aur Mutafaqah Aleh words of RoolSAW ki. Quran per tou pura amal ker lain pehlay aur Tufarqay main nah parain.
Mr. Truth Seeker,
Rasool Allah ne jab elaan e Nabuwat kiya tab jin logon ne zabaani ya dil se kalma padh liya wo musalmaan kehlaaye aur Rasool Allah ko dekhne ki bina per Sahabi kehlaye. Yaha ye kehna ke Rasool Allah( SAWA) ne inhe Dost select kiya hai ghalat hai. Rasool Allah ne to Munafiqeen ko bhi apne bazm se nahi nikaala to kya iska matlab ye hua ke Rasool Allah ko munafeqeen ki Saazizoh ka pata nahi tha.....???!!!
Rasool Allah (SAWA) ne agar kisi aurat se shaadi ki to iske ye matlab nahi hua ki wo aurat maasoom ho gayi !!! Quran ne Nuh(AS) aur Loot (AS) ki biwiyon ki burai ki hai, to kya aap ye keh sakte hai ki NUh (AS) aur Loot(AS) ne unse Shaadi karki ghalat kaam kiya.
Tafarqah to aap logon ne Islam me daal diya Hazrat Ali (AS) ko chhod kar Saqifa me Abu Bakr ko chon kar kiya hai.
Kya Aap ke paas koi aisi Hadith hai jisme Rasool Allah (SAWA) ne aapko Khalifa choonne ko kaha to phir aap logon ne unki khlaaf arzi kyon ki ????
Raha sawaal shiyon ka, to Shiyon ne apne taraf se Ali(AS) ko pehla imam ya khalifa nahi mana balke iska hukm Rasool Allah ne ghadeer ke maidan me kar diya tha ye kehkar :
MAN KUNTO MAULA HO FAHAZA ALI UN MAULA ( OF WHOMSOEVER I M MASTER THIS ALI IS HIS MASTER ).
Aap logon ne hadithe ghadeer ki sanad ko ye kehkar thukra diya k Maula ki mayni sirf dost hai jabke aap logon ke paas is baat ka koi proof nahi...
Ibtedaayi Islam me jitna khoon bahaya gaya khilafat ke mamle ko lekar utna kisi aur mamle me nahi baha..... aur aaj bhi ye ISIS waale khoon baha kar khilafat kayam karna chahte hai.....lehaza aap log apni kitaabe aur tareekh gaur se padhye haqeeqat waze ho jayegi
Abu baqar r.a
umar r.a
usman r.a
Ali r.a
Bhai sy b bar kr hein tum kon hoty ho unhe bura kehny walyy
Tumhy Allah ny kis lye zameen per bheja h kia is lye k tum apny gandi zuban sy sahaba ki gustakhi kro lanat ho tum per
Ali r.a ki shan Allah k han he naky tumary han
Usi trha umar abu baqar usman ki shan b Allah k han hy naky tumhary han so apny amal sudharo naky gustakh bano
sahaba to phool hy phool mere nabi ny Ali ko shere khuda ka laqb dya or umar k bary me kaha k mere bad agr koi nabi hota to umar hota or kaha k agr 1 or umar hota to sari dunia me deen phel gya hota usi tarha abu baqar k bary aqa ne kahaa h k jannat ka har darwaza abu baqar ko pukary ga unhi usman ki shan b alla h plz Allah Allah kro kahin Qayamt k din pachtana pary nabi k rozy k ird gird umar abu baqar nazar ayn gy tumhe betullah me umar q qadam nazar ayn gy tumhe..... Ary Ali ki shan to yd he tumhe Ali k kam nek Amal yd nh tumhe
ALI Ali he
Bhai Ali Ali he
Abu baqar
umar
usman ali bhai bhai bhai bhai jo na many Allah usy uska hisab lenegy
Zaydis, the oldest branch of the Shia and the largest group amongst the Shia before theSafavid Dynasty in the sixteenth century and currently the second largest group, disagree with the Twelver Shia. Zaydis believe that on the last hour of Zayd ibn Ali, he was betrayed by the people in Kufa who said to him: "May God have mercy on you! What do you have to say on the matter of Abu Bakr and Umar ibn al-Khattab?" Zayd ibn Ali said, "I have not heard anyone in my family renouncing them both nor saying anything but good about them...when they were entrusted with government they behaved justly with the people and acted according to the Qur'an and the Sunnah.".[114][115] The Zaidiyyah Shia accept Umar and Abu Bakr as legitimate caliphs.[116]
Janab Hamza Khan ,
Ye Hadith : " Agar mere baad koi nabi hota to Umar hote " Sahih Nahi hai.......
Aap ne jo hadis bayan ki hai wo sahih nahi hai kyonki ye hadith quran aur sunnate rasool ke khilaaf hai.
1. Allah ne 12400 nabi bheje. In sabhi nabiyon ne kabhi bhi ek lamhe ke liye bhi bot parasti nahi ki, elaan e nabuwaat se pehle ya baad me.
2. Hazrat Mohammed Mustafa ( s.a.w.a) ne elaan e nabuwat se pehle bhi kabhi bhi boton ke aage sajda nahi kiya.
3. Umar ki zindagi ka ek bahot bada arsa bot parasti me guzra, is liye Umar kabhi nabi ban hi nahi sakte the...
4. Aap ne jo hadith bayan ki hai ye bani umayya ke zamana ki gadi gayi taake khilafat e umar aur abu bakr ko jayez karaar diya ja sake aur baad me yahi hadith ne sihah e sittah me jagah bana li.
5. Agar ye hadith wakiyi Rasool (S.a.w.a) ne farmayi hoti to phir Umar ne saqifa me khilafat ke mamle me ansaar ki saamne ye hadith kyon nahi pesh ki ...???????.
6. Agar ye hadith sahih hai to phir Umar ko baad e rasool(s.a.w.a) khalifa hona chahiye tha. Abu Bakr khalifa kaise ban gaye.
7. Agar ye hadith sahih hai to phir Abu Bakr ne Umar ko apna jaanasheen kyon muqarrar kiya. ?? Kyon nahi logon se kaha ke Umar ko khalifa banao kyonki Umar ke baare me ye hadith maujood hai. ???
8. Agar ye hadith sahi hai to phir Umar ke ye kaul ka kya kare jo sunni kitabo me maujood hai ke " agar Ali na hote to Umar halaak ho jaata"
9. Ye Hadith Quran ki Aaayaton ki raushni me saabit nahi ki ja sakti.
10. Musalmaan banne se pehle Umar ne daure jehaalat me apne beti ko zinda dafan kiya aur Sharaab bhi pete the( Sunni kitabo me ye baat likhi hui hai ). In sab baaton se ye saabit hai ke Umar ke paas Nabi banne ki koi qualification maujood nahi thi.
Please guys educate yourself.
Abubakkar R.A was the companion of hazrat Muhammad S.A.W.
Abubakkar was ranked top in all sahabas how can you say that things about him??
And omar r.a was after him.
Hazrat MUHAMMAD S.A.W said "if there was any profit after me it was omer bin khattab"
Now leave this topic.
Hazrat muhammad S.A.W know before that hazrat hassan and hussain will martyr.
I know every will agree me in this.
Then how profit S.A.W dont have an idea about what abubakkar and omer will do after him??
Why would he say these things about omer??
U people are totally wrong so please dont say anything like that for any sahaba.
Kafir wo he jo ALLAH K Siwa kisi or ko kbuda maney ALLAH k siwa kisi or se madad ki umeed karey.
But is ka ye matlb ni k hum log un ka katal karien humien un ko educate krna chahiye.
phir Umar ASHRA MUBASHRA me q shamil hai or Rasool s.a.a.w ne ap ko dua me q manga?
Assalam o Alaikum
Bhaiyo jb quran mojood hai to kisi insan ki likhi hui kitabon pe yaqeen na kro.. Wo log mojud nhi thy Karbala k waqiey k waqt
Or khudara aisi batein na kro sahaba ke bare mein
Khudara aisi batein na karein
we must respect to each other
الله ہمہیں آپس میں محبّت بانٹنے والا بنائیں اور ہم انسانیت کی عزت کریں مذاہب کی نہیں
جب مجلس ہو تو ہم سنی بھائی وہاں انتظامات کریں اور جب ہم کوئی نعت خوانی کریں تو لشیعہ
ہمارے ساتھ شانہ با شانہ ساتھ دیں امین
Umar's followers do the following when they have no answer for authentic hadith and qurana dn cant defend -- Outright abuse and slander, blame on Shias for corrupting their" sahis" book, repetition of hadiths already refuted, declaring shias kafir and will go hell, changing the topic instead of providing rebuttal and authentic evidence in support of Umar and when all fails --they start talking about unity, respect and persuade shias why bring up old things. Why not admit something is wrong and follow the truth!
The accusations that have been levelled against Umar (R.A) that he broke down the door of Ali (R.A.)’s house and approached Ali (R.A.) and Fatima (R.A.) in a disrespectful manner and due to this Fatima (R.A.) suffered a miscarriage is totally false and a mere fabrication. In reality those who levelled this accusation are disgracing and Ali (R.A.) and Fatima (R.A.) and also making a mockery of Islam. Was Ali (R.A.) so cowardly that he could not defend his house nor avenge his wife?! When Ali (R.A.) became Khalifah why did he not take revenge nor claim the blood money from the family of Umar (R.A) for the child that he had lost?! The ones who narrate these types of narrations are in actual fact the enemies of Islam. They portray the Sahabah (R.A.) in front of the Kuffar in such a fallacious manner that they were thirsty for governance, they had no legal system, the strong used to suppress the weak, to speak the truth was a crime, the oppressors were not punished, lies were spoken in order to please rulers, just as the hypocrites they too had hatred in their hearts for their rulers. Can your heart accept such accusations and nonsense? Could the senior Sahabah behaved in such a manner? Were such Sahabah not capable of demolishing great empires such as that of Qaisar and Kisra with scanty ammunitions and means? Will Allah Ta’ala assist such oppressors?
The claim that Fatima (R.A.) had a miscarriage is a mere fabrication. It has been mentioned in an authentic book of history, i.e. Albidayah wan Nihaayah, that during the lifetime of Rasoolullah (S.A.W.), Fatima (R.A.) gave birth to a third son by the name of Muhassin and that this child passed away in his childhood. This is why the majority of the historians mentioned only two sons of Fatima (R.A.).
The reason why Umar (R.A) reacted staunchly with those who opposed the Khilaafat after Abubakar (R.A.) was appointed as the Khalifah was because Rasoolullah (S.A.W.) has said: “If anybody else claims Khilaafat after a Khalifah has been chosen from amongst the Muslims, then he should be killed no matter who he may be.” (Sahih Muslim)
After the general Bay’at took place Abubakar (R.A.) said: “I never intended to be a Khalifah nor did I demand it. If you are not pleased with this Bay’at then I will step down and you can appoint someone else as the Khalifah.” Majority of the Muhajireen, especially Ali (R.A.) refused this offer and said: “No, you (Abubakar) are more worthy of the Khilaafat than anybody else. Rasoolullah (S.A.W.) forwarded you in such an important issue such as Salaat so how can we pull you back.” When Ali (R.A.) and Zubair (R.A.) were asked why did they not take the Bay’at in the beginning? They replied that the reason was because they were consulted on the issue. It has been narrated in the Shiite book “Ihtijaaj Tabrasi” that Ali (R.A.) took Bay’at on the hands of Abubakar (R.A.) and also performed Salaat behind him. Ali (R.A.) announced during his Khilaafat that Rasoolullah (S.A.W.) did not bequest us to appoint the Khalifah and neither did he take a pledge from us. If I had a pledge then I would have never allowed Abubakar (R.A.) to climb the Mimbar of Rasoolullah (S.A.W.) but in reality Abubakar (R.A.) was worthy of Khilaafat. Rasoolullah (S.A.W.) also forwarded him, we supported him and worked with him, and after his demise we assisted Umar (R.A) and Uthmaan (R.A.)
One should ponder that if Ali (R.A.) had a pledge then he would have most definitely mentioned it during his Khilaafat when there was no fear of anybody reprimanding him or threatening him. Had Abubakar (R.A.) or Umar (R.A) oppressed him any way, he would have also mentioned it but he did not mention anything of that sort.
Sister Rehana Anwar,
The matter of killing of janabe fatema would have been an accusation if it would have been narrated only by shia historians But if go through other posts on this website u would see that this matter is also found in many sunni books than how can u say that we are telling lies.
Secondly why Ali did not fight Umar,the reason is found in many of our posts on this matter. We have alrealdy answer this objection. The situation and environment at the time of imam ali was different than what was at the time of his son Hussain. So the imams acted in a different ways of saveguard islam.
You said : Ali did not opposed d khilafat is a wrong notion becoz Imam Ali indeed protested but people did not support him. In khtubah shiqshiqqiya of Nehjul Balagha,Imam Ali has said about this thing.please go and read and dont simply blame shias for spreading false things.
Sister Rehana Anwar,
What force u to believe that all Senior sahabas were very pious people ?????
Just because of some traditions in their favor in sihah e sitta ????
Dont you know sihah sittah was written long after d passing away of Rasool Allah and many weak traditions have also got their place in sihahs ???
There are many traditions in sihahs from d people who were involved in d killing of imam Husssain. Then how can we trust the traditions from sahihs on d basis of which u have develop the belief that sahabas cannot be wrong. ???
Answer one simple question :
1. If all sahabas were right then why Ali(as) had to fight 3 battles during his khilafat of 4 years ????
2. How can u prove that the cause of death of so many muslims is just due to some mis understanding between senior sahabas ???
3. When it is clearly mentioned in Quran that wives of Prophet should not behave like other women,then why did Aisha came out to fight with Ali in d battle of Jamal.????
4. Why Muawiya d son of Abu Sufyan challenged d khilafat of ali and fought battle of siffin???
5. Why Muawiya appointed Yazid,d khalifa of muslim without consulting the sahabas. ????
6. Why Imam Hussain could gather only an handful to fight the tyrant yazid and why many sahabas and tabein did not support him ????
There are so many unanswered questions which supporters of sahabas are unable to answer.
U said : Why Ali did not claim blood money from Umar for his killed son.
Do you think Ali to behave in such a childish manner. ????
When he did not fight it was in d interest of Islam and when he fought that was also in d interest of islam.
If he had fought with early so callled pious sahabas who usurped his khilafat and killed his wife and unborn son it would have resulted in civil war among muslims and would have endangered islam in those early period of islam when most of the people converted to Islam were new.
I advise u to go through the early history of islam thoroughly to know the truth instead of believing some weak traditions blindly.
UMAR IN ASHRA MUBASHIRA IS A WEAK TRADITION AND MANY SUCH TRADITIONS ARE IN SIHAH SITTAH WHICH WAS COMPILED DURING THE TIME OF BANI ABBAS AND SUCH TRADITIONS WERE INCLUDED IN D SAHIHS TO JUSTIFY THE KHILAFAT OF FIRST 3 KHALIFAS.
1. Allah qaadir e mutlaq hain na ??? to phir shaitan ko logon ko behkhane k liye kyon chhod rakkha hai ????
2. Allah k Nabi ne sulah hudaibiya me kuffar se sulah ki to kya ham keh sakte hai k Nabi Paak kuffar se darr gaye ????
3. Rasool Allah Haj karne gaye the aur kaafi taadad me musalmaan the phir bhi Rasool Allah ko Kaafiron ne Haj karne nahi diya lekin Rasool Allah ne jung nahi ki.
4. Kaun kehta hai k Maula Ali ne khilafat ke liye ehtejaaj nahi kiya. Tamaam shiya sunni kitabon me maujood hai k Ali(as) ne Abu bakr ki khilafat ko kabool nahi kiya tha.
5. Magar Ali (as) ne jung nahi ki kyonki Rasool Allah ki wasiyat thi : " Aye Ali agar tumhe saathi na mile to tum sabr karna aur jihad nahi karna"
6. Jab logon ne hi Abu Bakr ki khilafat qabool karli to Ali (as) ne logon ko unke haal per chhod diya bilkul usi tarah jis tarah Haroon(as) ne Bani Israeliyon ko chhod diya jab wo logon ne Haroon(as) ko nahi maana aur saamri k behkhane per bacchde ke ibadat karne lage.
Assalamualikum.. May all the Muslims live in peace. So after reading the above so called references, it can be concluded or rather evident that, Ali (RA) should actually dislike Umar(RA), but hey.. did you guys try o findout what were the names of Ali(RA)'s sons.. I am sure you do not. Their names were Abu bakr and Umar.. verify if you want to...
Hey stupid Mr. Unknown,
Who told u that Imam Ali (as) was impressed with Abu Bakr and that is why he name his sons abu bakr and umar etc. ????
Can u prove this from any single tradition from any shia sunni books. ????
You cant !!! Because nowhere Imam Ali said that he name his sons because he like Umar and abu bakr.
we have already given a detail reply on this repeated objections from our sunni brothers in many of our posts on this website. Go and search in search section u can get the reply...
Abu Bakr,umar and uthman were very common names in those days.
Like how mohammed and abdullah are common nowadays.
I challenge u to show me any one tradition from Imam Ali on this matter.
It is just your thought that Imam Ali might be very impressed with them,but simple thought without any solid proof has no place in Islam.
Its really very amazing thing that whenever we shias quote any sunni reference , instead of checking the facts people come and deny d facts and when we quote from our books ( shia books) they blame us for creating stories and call us liars...
I just want to ask all my sunni brothers with folded hands to prove me how could all d sunni authors be truthful and how all d shia authors are liars ?????
Is it not blind belief and prejudice against shias ?????
Recently i saw an anti shia site where the writer tried desperately to prove tha Fidak was not d right of Fatima.
I ask all those people who are reseaching on the matter of inheritance and fidak to answer some of my questions before reaching d conclusionI am a shia.
Why the hadith about inheritance of prophet was not narrated by anyone other than Abu Bakr.???
The hadith that "PROPHETS DONT LEAVE INHERITANCE" is against Quran where other Prophets have inherited wealth as well as knowledge from previous prophets.
Surprisingly why this so called hadith is not known to Fatima ???
Matter of inheritance should have been known to family members.
Why the testimony of Ali(as) was not accepted???Could he speak lie for just a piece of land ???? After all his lone witness should also be given importance becoz he was khalifa e Rashid.
Please stop all this fake quotes about Hazrat Abu Bakr (RA) and Hazrat Umar bin Khattab (RA). And Hazrat Ali (RA) has accepted Hazrat Abu Bakr (RA) as Khalifa of ummah Happily
Was Abu bakr appointed by Allah and Prophet (sawa) , that Ali (as) would accept him happily ????
Rehana Anwar- Why Ayesha came out to fight Ali? Was she a heir of Usman? Was she his daughter? What rights she had to fight against the Khalifa of time for killing of another Khalifa when she instigated the people to Kill Usman? Didn't she said" Kill this Naathal..he has become Kafir? Which of her statements were true? Killing usman or taking the evenge from Ali who had nothing to do with killing?
Seek forgiveness from ALLAH (S.W.T) you're my brother please don't make such non authentic rumour and fake Quotes if this were true then why Hazrat Umar R.A and Hazrat AbuBakar R.A are lying next to my our prophet MOHAMMAD (S.A) in grave yard and what about that when Hazrat Umar was about to be put in his grave Hazrat Ali R.A was standing and said "I know there is no such place which can have such holiness and power to bear Hazrat Umar Farooq R.A except that place beside My beloved MOHAMMAD S.A because I have heard too many times from Prophet MOHAMMAD PBH that ME (S.a.w) Abu Bakar R.A and Umar R.A so I knew from then that all these three will be always at same place wherever they'll be..
Bro just study don't just go one way.. don't let the nonmuslims to mock on us the Muslims, be like Muslim not like Shia Sunii etc...
I have been reading the whole thread, sometimes confused, sometimes clear then again seeing the references, its a bit going harsh on my conscience now, the long long hatred. With so many resentments and reactions going on in my mind now I've come to the final conclusion, "Firqo me mat bato aur Allah ki rassi ko mazbuti se pakad lo". So being of Sunni sect originally, I declare myself a muslim and only Muslim. Its also true that I love our prophet and pay respect to all his companions. Hazrat Ali Karmallahu Anhu, Hazrat Imam Hasa, Hazrat Imam Hussain. That lays in my heart. Infact and indeed Yazid, Maviya and their likes were not good. Battling with Hazrat Ali can never be justified and saying any wrong words against Hazrat Aisha, I too do not consider it. I'm responble for my own imaan. Now, there also a fact that to create turmoil and partitions Jews also infiltrated our Hadiths, I'm not sure which.
I can only say that, stop hating over such issues now, have love for Ahle-bait and Huzoor S.A.W. companions. be a muslim and come on the same platform or the day is not far, that you all perish.
Never ever give way or strengthen Islam's enemy, which today the whole world is? Please be a muslim and only muslim. Had anyone done any wrong let Allah S.A.T. judge them.
We just follow Allah and RasulAllah. Please.
Please be a muslim, the way you all aleegate and behave is not an Islamic way, our prophet R. A. S.A.W. never taught us these ways.
Please be one. Do you think it sincere to fight and perish for what happened in the history.
Isn't it not enough that Yazeed, Marwan, Muaviyah and Ziyad are always cursed for their wrong deeds ?
Why would the companions of our Rasool S.A.W. would fight over petty things when they themselves gave up everything risking their own existence faced so many oppositions and crisis altogether. I strongly oppose this idea. Why can't these Hadiths be infiltrated. May be this is the reason.
However, whatever may be the reason, if you are a follow Rasool-Allah S.A.W. then you are only and only a muslim. That's all.
Now is the time to wake up.
By the debate going on here it appears that you all want to repeat the history or wage another war over the history.
Is it wise?
Br. sfq,
I appreciate your concern and I fully agree that we are muslims and we should be muslim. Yes it is very important that shias and sunnis should come together and fight d common enemies jews and Christians.
But the problem is whenever we shias try to come closer to sunnis to tell them what we belief and what is our imaan,Sunni Aalim create rift by calling us by derogatory names such as Rafidha,Majoosi and Kafir.
They say since we r against some of the prominent sahabas, we are Kaafir and deviated one and hence we are their bitterest enemies worst then jews and Christians.
As a result some of the extremist salafis clerics have wage jihad against shias and brain washed many of the youths to become suicide bombers and terrorists etc.
This blog is just to remove some of the sunni misconception against shias through healthy discussion and none should abuse each other.
Yes,many hadiths are fabricated one so it is our utmost duty to find out those holy personalities whom the prophet has ordered us to refer in case of conflict.
And that is why there is a need to study early history of islam without any bias and prejudice so we can follow those people on whom Allah has sent His blessings and not to follow those who are astrayed as per the prayers mentioned in Surah fateha.
Well Said Brother Abdullah,
Its most of the relegous leaders or waht we can cal mulla etc will be the one who will line up for the hell. Rift cannot be created.
Just want to add some more facts to the discussion, that Hazrat Ali Murtaza (Karmallahu -Anhu) named his 3 sons as Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman. This shows how they were close to each other. May be the infiltration in hadeeths were done at that particular time itself to create a rift. However, One who calls to kill a Kallimago( A muslim) will never be justified. I disapprove and all believers may too I'm sure of that.
Let me give an example:- for instance, Abu-Sufiyan, Amr Saad etc they were the last one to accept Islam. They saw Rasool-Allah in person. They led many wars against the infidels. Now, when a person who is in such a lead position, counted as Sahabi and companion to rasool, could commit errors, then why cant these so called mullahs(Plz dont be offended, not all Moulvis). The word of hatred is being spread by either sect. But its the followers who go astray and are fooled.
Please dont be fooled by them.
ماشاءاللہ ۔۔۔عبداللہ بھائی ۔۔
میں نے مکمل تحقیقات 10 سال بعد فقہ آل-محمد صلی اللہ علیہ والہ وسلم کو اپنایا۔۔اللہم صلی علی محمد وال محمد وعجل فرجھم ۔۔الحمد اللہ ۔۔۔
Ap sb logon se un k barey me nae pocha jaey ga ap apney amaal theak kren
I will say one thing
Please dont get involved in what happend in past there was no non bias media to give you absolute truth
Just follow simple teaching of islam Be good human take care of other fellow humans regardless of there religion dont judge people for heaven or hell that is job of God try to do good deads ( charity to poor , help homless, feed hungry, get higher education so you can help to invention things which can help humanity not war nor distruction )
Sir
With all due respect...
Abubakr was burried during Umar's caliphate and Umar was burried by Usman in his caliphate. Now my question for you is that why wasn't Usman burried next to Prophet s.a.w during Maula Ali's caliphate? And why didnt lady Ayesha let imam Hassan be burried next to Prophet? Why were arrows showered over his coffin? Doesnt that show their obvious dislike towards eachother?
we respect all sahaba karam and we ll keep on respecting until our death as Hazrat Muhammad(S.A.W) said “My Companions are like the stars; whoever among them you follow, you will be guided.”(even if it is zaeef according to you)
Our pUrpose should be to follow the teachIngs of Hazrat Muhammad (s.a.w) and seek the right path from ALLAH as a muslim so that we can fight against non muslims instead of among us on the internal matters of sahaba karam. All of them are superior to us in all respects. For ALLAH's sake stop it.look what is happening in iraq, syria,afghanistan and all over islamic world. All is becuase of our internal civil wars throughout islamic history. We should be ashamed of ourselves that instead of acting on teachings of ALLAH's PROPHET, after 1400 years we are still fighting that which sahabas are right and which are wrong. Broader your vision and understand the purpose of ALLAH for your existence because you would e answerable for it.
we are muslims neither sunni nor shia.
HADITH IN BUKHARI? I AM THE CITY OF KNOWLEDGE, ABU BAKR IS ITS FOUNDATION, UMAR IT'S WALLS, UTHMAN ITS ROOF AND 'ALI ITS DOOR.
AbdULLAH bhai aap shia log khod ko Muharam may jahilon ki tarha marty Q ho?
Jab Hazrat PBUH per Wahi nazil hoi sab say pehlay Abu Bakar Sadiq pbuh emaan laye(with prove baat hay)
Hazrat Umar pbuh ko Hazrat Muhammad PBUH nay ALLAH say manga tha
shia logon ko behis may koi nahi hara sakta ye aik dafa bol dain kay milk is black to prove karky chorty hain
Hamaray lia jitnay Hazrat Abu Bakar,hazrat Umer,hazrat usman pbut,moaziz hastiyan hain otni he hazrat Ali ,hazrat Fatima hazrat Aisha Hazrat Imam Hasan hazrat Imam HuSsain and baki suhaba ae karam moaziz hain
Hum sunni kisi ko kam ya ziyada nahi samjthy
Ye saray kay saray khoshkismat suhaba ae karam hain
And bhai saab jin hastiyon ko ALLAH nay dunia may jannat ki basharat day di thi on ko aap ghalat kesay keh sakty ho
AbdULLAH bhai aap shia log khod ko Muharam may jahilon ki tarha marty Q ho?
Jab Hazrat PBUH per Wahi nazil hoi sab say pehlay Abu Bakar Sadiq pbuh emaan laye(with prove baat hay)
Hazrat Umar pbuh ko Hazrat Muhammad PBUH nay ALLAH say manga tha
shia logon ko behis may koi nahi hara sakta ye aik dafa bol dain kay milk is black to prove karky chorty hain
Hamaray lia jitnay Hazrat Abu Bakar,hazrat Umer,hazrat usman pbut,moaziz hastiyan hain otni he hazrat Ali ,hazrat Fatima hazrat Aisha Hazrat Imam Hasan hazrat Imam HuSsain and baki suhaba ae karam moaziz hain
Hum sunni kisi ko kam ya ziyada nahi samjthy
Ye saray kay saray khoshkismat suhaba ae karam hain
And bhai saab jin hastiyon ko ALLAH nay dunia may jannat ki basharat day di thi on ko aap ghalat kesay keh sakty ho
hadees e mubarka hai
mery sahaba jamktey sitaron ki manind hai jo inko bataey raston par chalyga wo gumrah nahi hoga.
ek baat jis par har kisi ko iman rakhna wajib hai ki " Elemy Gaib Sirf Allah aur Sirf Allah kay hi pass hai "
Hatta ki aap s.a.w ko bhi nahi pata tha ki unkay sahaba unka na rahnay par
kaisa amal karngay.
kuch sahabiyon ka jo bhi husnay sulook aur bhali thi aap s.a.w kay sath wo sab ki sab raddh ( perished, rejected ) wo gainee, ahlay baith kay sath bura salkoon karny say.
aap s.a.w ka ham par kitna bara ahsaan hi unhonay Allah ka deen ham sab tak pahuchya aur badlay may kuch na manga na koi umeed ki.
Sirf Itna kaha ki mery ahlay baith say muhabbat karo.
ek aur hadees e mubarka hai ki aap s.a.w nay kaha ki mery na rahnay par main do aisee cheezy chord ka ja raha hoon jin par amal karogay to gumrah nahi hogay
1... Quran
2...Ahlay baith
Wahabbis and Al Saud are the main reason of terrorism in the world today. Now the US has signed the deal with Iran the al Saud family will not be as important to the west. Iran will play a major role in the Middle East in future.
94% of the world's muslim population are "Sunni" ( Muslims who follow the Holy Qur'an & Sunnah of Prophet Muhammed sallalahu allahi wa salaam ) "shia" are a measly 6%. If you claim that the stories you tell are so factual and solid,why is your number so small? Obviously,its not so believable or you'd have more followers who are mutilating (cutting themselves) & humiliating themselves in the streets. Worshing men, Throwing money at Imams, kissing their hands & asking them to bless you. Only Allah can bless you! Wake up, Fear Allah, worship only Allah the Creator. The fire in hell is beyond your imagination.
Assalam-o-Alaikum
Praise to Allah Almighty who made us muslims and promised for us bakhshish Alhamdulillah
Peace and salutes on Prophet Muhammad alaih-e-salat-o-salam the most beloved of Allah Almighty who woke nights, shed tears and prayed for umma! for us!
Quran the final book is the ultimate source of guidance.
After these basics comes sharia so pay attention to your salat, fasting, zaqat and Haj and follow this statement "Muslim is the one who is harmless to other Muslim by his tongue and hands"
Alhamdulillah we all are agreed and united on these things so congratulations
Now regarding Sahaba and Ahl-e-Bait, first and foremost comes Ahl-e-Bait... Prophet (SAW) said "Hassan (RA) and Hussain (RA) are leaders of youngsters of Jannah and Fatima (RA) is leader of women of Janaah".... " O Allah love those who love Ahl-e-bait and hate those who hate Ahl-e-bait" Those who oppressed Ahl-e-bait and especially Husnain kareemain are surely in trouble.
Regarding Sahabas Prophet (SAW) said " My companions are like stars" "O Allah I pleased with Abu Bakr (RA) be pleased with him" "Whenever satan sees Umer (RA) in a path, he would change his path" "Im the helper of whom Ali (RA) is the helper of""I saw a magnificent palace in Jannah, I asked angels to whom it belongs they replied Usman (RA) Ali (RA) would you like to be my neighbor in Jannah? Each prophet has a companion in Jannah my companion would be Ummer (RA)" "Bilal (RA) would be honoured by entering the Janna first of all" "All the doors of janna would say Abu Bakar (RA) come through me, come through me"
There are a few things which all of you might not agree... There has been a debate on these things and history of 1400 years has failed to decide, so leave it on Allah the Guardian of day of judgment.
Regarding kufr, Islam has not permitted us to think of anyone as kafir only on grounds of doubt.... No one is licensed to declare any of believer of so called sects as kafir..... As far as killing is concerned, there's not even 0.01% flexibility in Islam regarding this and its nothing but terrorism which has absolutely no association with Islam. The blood of a human is worth more than Holy Kaaba. We have great Sunnah of Prophet (SAW) how he forgave the established enemies of Islam, how he treated that women who used to throw debris, how he rejected Gabriel's offer at Taif.
At the end Salat and Salam on Prophet (SAW) Ahl-e-bait, his companions and whole ummah.
Bhai,
Taarikh gawah hai.... ke Abu Bakr , Umar aur Uthman ne Hazrat Ali ke saath accha sulook nahi kiya aur Ahle Bait se muhabbat ka haq nahi ada kiya.
Is liye jo Hadithe aap ne farmaayi hai Abu Bakr aur Umar ki Shaan me wo sab Hadithe Quran ke Khilaaf hai aur baad me Banu Umayya ke zamane me gadi gayi hai jisse hum Shia ittefaq nahi rakhte hai.
Sahih Muslim me HAdith hai...
Mai tumhare darmiyan 2 cheeze chhode ja raha hu... Quran aur Ahle Bait.
To phir Hazrat Ali aur Aulaade Ali ko Khilaafat se dooor kyo rakkha gaya ???????
Gaur kiya aapne......
Sahaba acche the ya bure is behas se zyada zaroori hai ke Rasool (s.a.w.a) ke baad kisko mana jaye aur kiski paairwi ki jaye......Tamaam Sahaba ki ya Ahle Bait ki !!!????
Kullu nafsin zaekatul mout ... HAR NAFS KO MOUT KA ZAIKA CHAKNA HAI . Plzzz kisi ko bhi bura naa kahein insan apny aamaal se jana jaega ap sub bhaiyo se guzarish hai k Allah ko razi krlo isy hi apna maqsad bana lo or Allah sirf Hazoor (S.A.W) k tareeqo par raazi houngy.. kisi ko kafir naa kaho . Agar ham apny grebaan me apni buraiyo ko dekhy to hamy koi bura nhi lagega.. bss ap Sub bhaiyo se guzarish hai Allah ko raazi krlooo zindagi ko Hazoor (S.A.W) k tareeqo par guzaro Duniya me bhi kamyab hogy or inshaAllah akhirat me... duao ki darkhuwast . JazaAllah..
Kullu nafsin zaekatul mout ... HAR NAFS KO MOUT KA ZAIKA CHAKNA HAI . Plzzz kisi ko bhi bura naa kahein insan apny aamaal se jana jaega ap sub bhaiyo se guzarish hai k Allah ko razi krlo isy hi apna maqsad bana lo or Allah sirf Hazoor (S.A.W) k tareeqo par raazi houngy.. kisi ko kafir naa kaho . Agar ham apny grebaan me apni buraiyo ko dekhy to hamy koi bura nhi lagega.. bss ap Sub bhaiyo se guzarish hai Allah ko raazi krlooo zindagi ko Hazoor (S.A.W) k tareeqo par guzaro Duniya me bhi kamyab hogy or inshaAllah akhirat me... duao ki darkhuwast . JazaAllah..
I'm neither sunnih nor shia, thanks m Muslim but in my sect it's written Sunnih. My answer to all debate.
All humans can b wrong and prone to mistakes less Holy profit and Punjtan oak and rest imaams.
If Ali ra kept quite on few issues , we shouldn't try to b more wise then him.
No one can take any thing froM hazrat Ali , yes less he gives.
And last but not least Khilafat in sa cheeni nai ja sukhti ha yes he fore go that.
If he could have stood at that time tou jistrah ka loula lungra Islam aaj zinda ha woh b khataam hou jaata.
Hazrat Ali RA had all knowledge of before and future . Less him no one can implement Islam or Profit order better and in true spirit.
Plz don't make Hazrat Ali muzloom it's I believe gustakhe he Mushkil kusha.
Ali problem has been he never on Huq it has alwaz been problem of Huq to b where Ali ra is.
JAnab Awais aur hope,,
Salaam alaikum,
aap log samajh hi nahi pa rahe hain ke hum kuch maksoos sahaba ki seerat yaha kyon bayan kar rahe hain.....hamari unse koi zaati dushmani nahi hain.
Hum ne taarik me dekha hai ke unhone islam ko bahot nuksaan pahochaya hai aur musalmaan aaj bhi unki pairvi aur batayi hui baaton ke wajah se badnaam ho rahe hain.....
Aap ne salat aur acchi baaton ka taskira kiya....aap hi batayei hame kaun batayega k rasool (s.a.w.a) ki sahi sunnat kya hai aur baad e Rasool , hame kiski pairvi karni chahiye. Ahle Bait ki ya koi bhi sahaba ki....????
Masla itna aasaan nahi hai jo aap hazraat samajh rahe hain,,,,islam me sahaba ne kai biddat ijaad kar di hain jo aaj tak chale aa rahi hain....
Shayad yahi wajah hai ki Rasool e Akram ne farmaya ,,,,mai do cheeze chhode ja raha hu ek Quran aur dooosre mere ahle bait,, jab tak inse mutammak rahoge gumrah nahi honge....is hadith me sahaba ka koi taskira nahi hua hai...lehaza sabi sahab sitaare hain...ye hadith baad me gadi gayi hai taake log dar e ahle bait chhodkar kisi bhi sahaba k piche lag jaaye....khud sahaba me kaafi ikhtelaaf tha ...tab aisi surat me kiski pairvi ki ja sakti hai aur kaise ???
Aap logon se darkhwaast hai ki galat hadithe ke behkaavi me na aaye aur dare ahle bait se hi sahi Islam le jo Rasool e Akram chhodkar gaye the....Allah aap sab logon ko sirat ul mustaqeem ki hidayat kare....Ameen
Bhi Abdullah Assalam o alikum
Main Sunni hoon aur tasleem karta hoon ki aaj hamaray beech main kai galat baatyn aur kuch biddat hai maslan 3 talaq at once, 20 Rakkat of Taraveeh, Namaz with Topi, Namaz kay beech main rafay deen ko galat samajhna, Peer aur wali ki mazaron par Sajdah karna unsay dua Mangna etc.
Aur bhi bhot see baatny hai jis say aap wakif hongay
Phir b aap Hazrat kay beech issay kahni zada gumrahi aa gai hai kiya aap tasleem karty hai?
Maslan Imam ko Ilamy gaib hota hai, Hazrat Ali ( A.S ) ko nabi kay barabar rakhna kuch log to ussay bhi zada manty hai, Matam karna khoon razi karna, sajday kay lei Sajdagah istaymal karna, Taziya dari karna aur bhot see baatey hai...
Kahnay ka maksad ye hai ke gumrahi to dono tarah hai aap ki tarah gumrahi main izafa hota ja raha hai...
Aur Bhot say Sunni aap kai uper liki baaton say Iteyfak rakhtay hai...
Aur jo bhi izzat o ehtraam en 3 ko hasil hai wo sirf is leye ki aap 3 Nabi kareem SAW kay Azeej they aap kay Sahabiyon main phlee shaf waly hai Islam kay sath behtar salook kiya tha bus ham sirf inko ko nahi kah sakty ho aap log kahtay hai.
All these references are self creation.This is total nonsense. All those ash abs had great respect for each other and Allah almighty is the biggest witness of all the history. Hazrat Abu baker R.A was the closest to Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) and the most prominent one. There was no hatred between Abubakar,Umar,UTHMAN and Ali (R.A).But some people are destroying this Ummah by spreading their own creation.May god curse you people.
Well I will just share what Maula Ali (R.A) had said....
Sahih Bukhari Hadees # 3671
حدثنا محمد بن كثير ، أخبرنا سفيان ، حدثنا جامع بن أبي راشد ، حدثنا أبو يعلى ، عن محمد ابن الحنفية ، قال قلت لأبي أى الناس خير بعد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قال أبو بكر. قلت ثم من قال ثم عمر. وخشيت أن يقول عثمان قلت ثم أنت قال ما أنا إلا رجل من المسلمين.
ہم سے محمد بن کثیر نے بیان کیا، کہا ہم کو سفیان ثوری نے خبر دی، کہا ہم سے جامع بن ابی راشد نے بیان کیا، کہا ہم سے ابویعلیٰ نے بیان کیا، ان سے محمد بن حنفیہ نے بیان کیا کہ
میں نے اپنے والد (علی رضی اللہ عنہ) سے پوچھا کہ رسول اللہ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کے بعد سب سے افضل صحابی کون ہیں؟ انہوں نے بتلایا کہ ابوبکر رضی اللہ عنہ میں نے پوچھا پھر کون ہیں؟ انہوں نے بتلایا، اس کے بعد عمر رضی اللہ عنہ ہیں۔ مجھے اس کا اندیشہ ہوا کہ اب (پھر میں نے پوچھا کہ اس کے بعد؟) کہہ دیں گے کہ عثمان رضی اللہ عنہ اس لیے میں نے خود کہا، اس کے بعد آپ ہیں؟ یہ سن کر وہ بولے کہ میں تو صرف عام مسلمانوں کی جماعت کا ایک شخص ہوں۔
well I am sunni can u plz give me a reference
Janab Apple Cracker...upar comment me
aap ne jo hadith bayaan ki wo jhooti aur jaali hai......
kyone Ali ( as) Aam musalmaan nahi the....
doosra ye k ye hadith khalifate salasa ( pehle 3 khalifa ) ki khilafat ko saabit karne k liye baad me gadi gayi hai..
Ali (as) ke fazail quran aur haditho me bhare pade hain to phir Ali (as) kaise ek aam musalmaan ho sakte hai....??????
Janab Syed Salman Sahab .....
Agar hum ye maante hai k Allah ne hamaare Imamo ki Ilme Gaib diya hai to Isme KYA Harj hai.....KYA ALLAH HAR CHEEZ PER QUDRAT NAHI RAKHTA ?????
Jab Allah ek chooti ko ilm e qalaam de sakta hai taake wo Hazrat Sulemaan (AS) se qalaam kar sake to kya wo Allah is baat per Qaadir nahi hai k hamaare Imamo ko Ilme Gaib se nawaaze ??????
Maatam me khoon nikalna koi deen k hisssa nahi banaya hum shiyon ne....Jisko Jaisa matam karna hai wo imam per us tarah maatam karta hai.....na hamare yaha Khoon nikaalna waajib hai aur na hi hamne ise aap logon ki tarah biddat banakar deen me daakhil kiya hai.....maslan 3 talaq,,,tarawih etc etc...
Imam Shafi said, "Is kana rafdan hubbu aali Muhammadi...
Fal Yash Hadis Saqalani anni Rafidi...
Agar Ahl-e-Bait sy mohabbat ka naam Shia hona hy to main Shia hun...
Shayan-e-Ali ki jang Bannu Ummaya sy isi baat par thi k Mawiya k Governer Membaron par Maula Ali ko Laan Taan kartey they. Us waqt to Shayan-e-Ali kharey ho gaye batil k khilaaf to ab khud kyun wahi kaam kartey hain? Sahaba Karam (RA) ko galiyan dey kar. Nauzbillah Min Zaalik...
Maula means (Mehboob) ham apney Maulana ko bhi Maulana keh rahey hotey hain. Maula ka matlab Mushkil kushan nahin hy...
Agar aaj k kisi Shia sy pucha jaye k aap Ziarat par is dafa kyun ni ja sakey to wo bolta hy... Bulawa nahin aaya...
To kia Muhammad (PBUH) k bulawey k baghair hi Hazrat Abu Bakar (RA) aur Hazrat Umar (RA) ko unki Qabar Mubarak k sath Ta Qiyamat jagah mil gayi? Samajhney waalon k liye ye daleel hi kaafi hy. Agar koi samajhna chahey...
Bhai saray walli shia hi hai. Data say lay kr bu ali tek
These stories have all Sunni references ignorant man.
If these all are made up then that means that all the hadis reported by the Sunni scholars are made upped.
Abdullah these people are deeply sorrounded by darkness and are not aware of the logical conclusions that can be made by a common mind from the common references that can be found in there common books.leave them as they are not the one upon which divine hidayat can act 😔 Allah may show them the right path
U r stupid admin. Stories are never Hadith. Hadith are the saying of prophet Muhammad SAW. So stop sharing false hood stories u son of iblees. For one moment if I accept ur falsehood then still u and me are ordered by Allah in Quran and from Hadith of Prophet Muhammad SAW that we should love suhaba and respect them. Who do u think ur ??? Ru Allah naozobillah to make decisions from ur stories and put blames on people with whom Allah is happy. Our duty as a muslim is to follow Islam. Means Quran and Hadith not to create fitnas...
We shall not believe on any historian or book and Ra'avi (conveyor) books can be tempered, Ra'avis can be corrupt but Quran not remember what Rasool Allah said to all muslims 'al hadith " Your would see many conflicts (fitnah) in near times at that time i command you towards Quran and Sunnah. you should act according to the Book of Allah not according to the book of people Books by people are only based on opinions and words of mouth that can be wrong nor i was there at that time neither you. so do not believe on any unauthentic self made history.
Janab Zohaib Sahab,
Matam k Jayez hone ka saboot aapko internet per bahot se shia sites per mil Jayega...Magar yaha theher kar aapse ek sawaal puchta hu..
KYA AAP QURAN SE MATAM KO HARAAM SAABIT KAR SAKTE HAIN KYA ???
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AGAR AAP NE SAABIT KAR DIYA TO HUM MAATAM KARNA CHHOD DENGE AUR AGAR NAHI SAABIT KAR SAKTE HAIN TO ISKA MATLAB YE HAI K MAATAM JAYEZ HAI KYONKI QURAN ME KAHI MATAM KE HARAM HONE KA TASKIRA NAHI HAI !!!!!
Matam karna gunnah hai q k ap is sy apnai apko takleef pouchaa rahey hotey ho ALLAH ko yeh baat pasand nh k uska bandaa apnai apko drd dy q k hum sub ALLAH ki amanaat haii
None of the above is siyah sitah book my brother hence unreliable like you are fool. Lets ask you a question where was imam Ali R.A when his wife was in trouble according to your fabricated false narrations he was in the house that time so why didn't he came to help her wife? Why the most brave of man was in the house watching his wife getting miscarriage lol this shows your brains are not working my brother. Your made up stories are saying that Naozbillah imam Ali R.A was a coward and he didnt came to his wifes aid and throughout the 25 khilafat of abu bakr umar and usman he remained silent and did nothing to take revenge and even he named his sons after the names of the one who burned his house. Explain to me how? How the man who was so brave will sit back 25 years and not take revenge and even will name his sons after his enemies and whats more he will give his daughter in marriage to omar R.A that is proved from your shia books idiot that umme kulsoom R.A married omar R.A. explain to me how?
Dear Abdullah Brother
If anyone is saying that you or shias in general are kaafir then he is an absolute idiot and in no way such an idiot is to be construed as the representative of any "fiqh"
However don't you agree that by posting such narratives regarding "Khulafa-e-Rashidin" you are only spreading hatred among Muslims. One shouldn't post such views regarding such sensitive issues.
Dear Armaghan... Even if we dont post these things then also fanatic muslims are going to spread hatred among muslims...To read it in detail our reply plz visit the below link :
http://www.seratonline.com/25117/is-tabarra-responsible-for-persecution-of-shias/
Dear Mr. Abdullah or site admin- I have been requesting on other places on this site to please include an article with all references to show why Umar used to urinate while standing. He also gave a reason for that so that our beloved muslims know the sahaba and greatness of Umar and the reason for his urination while standing. This one of the greatest seerat of Umar after his dedication to Aflah.
Abdullah
you are making up too many things
Please refer to the cited references...these "stories" aren't fake
dear brothers .... abdullah has mentioned 21 points above with the strong refrences ..
can any one answer them ? you all are changing topics because you didnt have sufficient answers
Shias curse Omar, Abu Bakr, Aisha and bunch of other Sahabas. Prophet Muhammad PBUH diskliked and discouraged the act of discouraging.
May Allah give us all Hidaya.
Men jb bhi aisi koe discussion parhta hon dua krta hon mjhy Allah apny karam say us rah py dal dy jo theek ho jo haq ki ho. Jahan koe nafrat na ho kisi ki tazheek na ho
Yahan mujood tamam Hazraat k samne haath jor k minnat krta hn, bhaai isi "tu ghlt or me sahi" ne Hame kahan pohncha dia hy??
Is munazray se thori fursat pao tu Dekho k ummat kis tarah deeaano ki trh bikhri pri hy??
Chlo unhen tu wkt na mila deen parhnay ka or jinko mila wo bhi tu yahan"tu ghaflat me sahi" khel rahay hyn..
Kiun ni smjhty aap log k"sometimes peace and silence is more necessary than truth".
Oper aik bhai ne likha hy k Allah quran me history btata hy tu ham bhi history bta rhay hyn, Meray bhai Allah ne aap ko ye ikhtiaar kb dia hy k jin logon ne Islam ko phelaa ya un pr nukta cheen I krna shuru krdo?
Hesiat kia hy meri apki?
Aaj ki science zer-e-zameen ye pta lga skti hy k kitna soona pra hy, tu kia jis zaat k liay pori kainaat Khaalik ne bna daali unhen ye Ilm ni tha k anay walay wakt on me kia ho ga??
Lekin wo khamosh rahay...
Yad rakho Allah sb dekh raha hy, sb Kuch Us k ikhtiaar me hy, mgr ham sb azmaey jaa rhay hyn..
Me naa cheez AHLE BAIT SE muhabt krta hn or un me se BiBi Fatima (R. A) KI trf dil ka lgaao ziada hy, me unka ghulaam ho k kisi bad dua ni day ska, kesay maa'n jaon k wo bad dua den kisi ko???
Jo Kuch hoa, Allah dekh ra tha, Jo ho ga Allah dekh lay ga, sab Us ki jaageer hy, aap or me kha makhaa apna chullo bhara ilm jhaarnay k chakar me hyn...
Or baaki rahi baat AHL-E-BAIT pr zulm-o-sitam or na insaafi ki tu kiun bhool jatay ho k Jo Nabi(S. A. W. W) se Jitna kareeb Hota hy us pe utni hi mushklen aati hyn..
Bass shiaa Hazraat se itni guzarish hy k Meray bhai aag ko aag se ni bujhaya jata, Paani daala jata hy..
Aap k laakh ikhtilaaf hn, mgr Aap AHL-E-BAIT k man'na walay ho, muhabbat or sabr k azeem tareen ghraany se taluk k davay krtay ho tu dil bhi tu bara kro..
Kisi bhi SAHAABI KO GAALI NA DO.
Is se bad amni phelti hy, tafaarqaa phelta hy or is baat ki ijaazat AHL-E-BAIT me se koi bhi ni day ga.
Kehtay hyn jis se amal ni ho pa raa Hota wo deen me kha makhaa hujjaten nikaalta hy ya ni behs krta hy so Hamaray pa's Jitna ilm hy us pr sai se agr hm amal shuru kren tu umeed hy hme esi behs ka wkt hi na milay..
"Sach tu ye hy k Sach bhi qareenay se btaya jaey...
Zakhm ko zakhm ni, phool btaya jaey..!!"
Wslm
Ap y decide nh kr sakt k Kis m Nabi Banne k qualification h, aur agr Ap is hadees ko nh man rh to Ap history k kitabo ko Kese man sakte hen, these were written to misguide Muslim, halank Quran Sharif m y Ayat h k Allah k rasi ko maZbooti S pakro aur apas m alag alag no ho jao. We should be respectful to the sahabas. 10 of sahabas ko jannat k bisharat un k zindagi m h Mil gae th... And we should follow the Islam according to Holy Quran as in the last ayah Allah Subhan watallah says, I complete the Islam here. We should be good Muslims rather than being In a firqa, May Allah forgive me nd all if we misnarrated.
Exactly we should follow Quran , m yaqeen S khti hon Ap kAbhi b misguide nh honge aur ap Apn Zhn m koi soch rakhte b ho Jo apko confuse krti h to Ap Allah S hidayat mange Bsshak mera Allah dilon k uljanhon ko door krne wala h..
Agreed. Brief and wise conclusion.
Y tareekh khn S ae h, khudara Quran ko follow kren.. A Muslim is one from whose tongue nd hands others are not harmed. Be a Muslim kindly, don't let urself break down in to firqa.
Hates off yar 🤐
Hum yaha koi nafrat nahi phaila rahe hain...Ham to sirf apna mauqif rakh rahe hain ke ham aakhir kyon Hazrat Umar ko pasand nahi karte...Aur is baat ko saabit karne ke liye hamne muta'addit sunni kitabon ke hawaale diye hai...taake hamare sunni bhai jaan lein ke ye koi shia ke gade hue afsaane nahi hain.
Raha sawaal sunni kitabon me jo hazrat umar ki shaan me hadithe aaye hain...to iska jawaab yahi hai ke bahaot se hadeese banu umayyah ke zamane me gadi gayi thi ...taake Hazrat Abu bakr aur umar ki khilafat ko jaayez karaar diya ja sake....is liye behtar yahi hai ke behes me sirf wahi hadeeson ka sahara liya jaaye jo shia - sunni sab maante hain
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