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Tuesday, July 17, 2012

Debate on so-called virtues of Abu Bakr and Umar

Mamoon al-Rashid while celebrating the marriage of his daughter to Imam Muhammad b. Ali al-Jawaad (a.s.) organized a function wherein many people were present including Yahya b. Aktham, Mamoon and Imam Jawaad (a.s.) himself. Yahya b. Aktham, a Sunni scholar and a leading jurist of his time, grabbed the opportunity to confront Imam (a.s.) on the subject of Imamat and asked him a series of questions on the topic.

Yahya: It has been reported through sources that the archangel Jibrail once said to Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.a.) – ‘O Prophet of God, the Lord sends His greetings to you and says – I am pleased with Abu Bakr, ask him if he is also pleased with me?’ What are your views regarding this tradition?[1]

Imam Jawaad (a.s.): I do not deny the merits of Abu Bakr[2] but the narrator of this tradition must definitely have been aware of another tradition of the Prophet (s.a.w.a.) that he (s.a.w.a.) narrated on the eve of his farewell pilgrimage – The number of people who attribute false traditions to me has increased and there will be more such people after my departure. Whosoever narrates false traditions in my name will deserve severe punishment in Hell. Therefore, any tradition recorded in my name must be verified in accordance to the Book of Allah and my Sunnah; if it is in accordance to them accept it, else reject it.

The tradition (about Allah inquiring about whether Abu Bakr is pleased with Him) lacks conformity with the Quran because Allah Himself says:
وَ لَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا الْاِنۡسَانَ وَ نَعْلَمُ مَا تُوَسْوِسُ بِہٖ نَفْسُہٗ ۚۖ وَ نَحْنُ اَقْرَبُ اِلَیۡہِ مِنْ حَبْلِ الْوَرِیۡدِ
And certainly We created man, and We know what his mind suggests to him, and We are nearer to him than his life-vein. (Surah Qaaf (50): 16)
(According to the verse Allah is closer to man than his own life vein, so how is it possible that He is not aware of Abu Bakr’s feeling and had to send Jibrail to ascertain if Abu Bakr was pleased with Allah! In the backdrop of such fabricated traditions, it is absurd that the Sunnis accuse the Shias of exaggerating the status of the Ahle Bait!)

Yahya: It has been narrated that the positions of Abu Bakr and Umar on earth are just like Jibrail’s position in the skies.

Imam Jawaad (a.s.): This tradition is also questionable because both Jibrail and Mikaail are Allah’s most honourable angels who never ever committed any sin nor were they unmindful of their obedience to the Lord for a moment. But Abu Bakr and Umar were pagans who had spent the majority of their lives in idol worshipping and polytheism. So obviously it does not befit the Lord to compare them with the likes of Jibrail and Mikaail.

Yahya: It has been reported that Abu Bakr and Umar are leaders of old men in Paradise. What is your view on this tradition?

Imam (a.s.): This tradition is also not reliable because the dwellers of heaven will be young and not old. This tradition was fabricated by the Umayyids in contrast to the authentic tradition of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.a.) wherein he (s.a.w.a.) has declared Imam Hasan (a.s.) and Imam Husain (a.s.) as leaders of the youths of Paradise.

Hasan and Husain are the chiefs of youths of Paradise.[3]

Yahya: It has been reported that Umar b. Khattaab is the lamp of Paradise.

Imam Jawaad (a.s.): I do not deny the merits of Umar[4] but Abu Bakr, who is superior to the former, himself announced from the pulpit – I have a Satan over me who distracts me all the time, so if you see me deviated from the right path, then correct me.

Yahya: It has been narrated that the Prophet of God had once said – Had I not been a prophet, Umar would have certainly have been a prophet.[5]

Imam Jawaad (a.s.): The Quran is more accurate and reliable compared to this tradition on the matter of prophethood:

وَ اِذْ اَخَذْنَا مِنَ النَّبِیّٖنَ مِیۡثَاقَہُمْ وَ مِنۡکَ وَ مِنۡ نُّوۡحٍ وَّ اِبْرٰہِیۡمَ وَ مُوۡسٰی وَ عِیۡسَی ابْنِ مَرْیَمَ ۪ وَ اَخَذْنَا مِنْہُمۡ مِّیۡثَاقًا غَلِیۡظًا
And when We made a covenant with the prophets and with you, and with Nuh and Ibrahim and Musa and Isa, son of Marium, and We made with them a strong covenant. (Surah Ahzaab (33): 7)

The verse clearly proves that Allah had made a covenant and took allegiance from all prophets, therefore in this case how is it possible that the Lord changes the allegiance that He Himself has taken? None of the messengers were ever guilty of apostasy (based on the divine covenant), so how is it possible that Allah grants prophethood to someone who spent a major part of his life worshipping idols?

Moreover, the Prophet (s.a.w.a.) informed – I was a prophet even at the time Adam’s creation was suspended between water and clay.

Yahya: The Prophet (s.a.w.a.) informed – The chain of prophethood did not terminate in me as I suspected that it continued in Khattaab’s progeny (i.e. Umar).

Imam Jawaad (a.s.): This report is also doubtful as the Prophet (s.a.w.a.) cannot doubt his own prophethood and its finality because Allah says:
اَللہُ یَصْطَفِیۡ مِنَ الْمَلٰٓئِکَۃِ رُسُلًا وَّ مِنَ النَّاسِ
Allah chooses messengers from among the angels and from among the men…(Surah Hajj (22): 75)

Since prophethood is a divinely bestowed position, there is no question of the Prophet (s.a.w.a.) being uncertain or suspicious about it in any manner.

Yahya: Narrations suggest that the Prophet (s.a.w.a.) had said – If Allah’s wrath descended on us, none except Umar would be spared.[6]

Imam Jawaad (a.s.): This narration is also inaccurate because the Lord has promised His Prophet:
وَمَا کَانَ اللہُ لِیُعَذِّبَہُمْ وَاَنۡتَ فِیۡہِمْ ؕ وَمَا کَانَ اللہُ مُعَذِّبَہُمْ وَہُمْ یَسْتَغْفِرُوۡنَ
But Allah was not going to chastise them while you were among them, nor is Allah going to chastise them while yet they ask for forgiveness. (Surah Anfaal (8): 33)                 

So Allah’s Wrath will never descend on the people till the Prophet (s.a.w.a.) is with them or so long as they continue to seek forgiveness from Him.[7]


[1]                 This is a false and fabricated tradition (Muhammad b. Baabshaz al-Basari).  Imam Zahabi, a reputed Sunni scholar, in his book Mizaan al-Etedaal has documented this tradition with the comment – This is a false and fabricated tradition. (Mizaan al-Etedaal vol 3 pg 488)
[2]                 Imam’s (a.s.) statement – ‘I do not deny Abu Bakr’s excellence’ is a pointer towards Imam’s (a.s.) taqayya. There is a tradition from Zakariyyah b. Adam – I was in the presence of Imam Reza (a.s.) who brought Imam Jawaad (a.s.) who was just 4 years old.  Then Imam Jawaad (a.s.) struck the floor with his hand, raised his head towards the sky and went into a state of deep reflection.  Imam Reza (a.s.) asked: May my life be sacrificed for you.  What are you thinking in this manner?  Imam Jawaad (a.s.) – Regarding the afflictions related to my mother Hazrat Faatemah (s.a.).  By Allah, I will bring those two (the first and second caliph) out of their graves and throw them into the Fire.  Then I will destroy their ashes or consign them to the oceans.  Then Imam Reza (a.s.) drew him towards himself and kissed him between the eyes and declared – My son, you are worthy of Imamat.
(Dalaail al-Imamah pg 600, Navaadir al- Mojizaat pg 183, Behaar al-Anwaar vol 50 pg 59, Medinah al-Ma’aajiz vol 7 pg 324, Anwaar al-Bahiyyah pg 258, Khaatimah al-Mustadrak vol 1 pg 224, Bait al-Ahzaan pg 124)
In the backdrop of such traditions regarding the caliphs and their evident oppression of the Ahle Bait (a.s.) we conclude that statements like – I am not a denier of the excellence of Abu Bakr/Umar is due to taqayya especially when they were made in the court of the king or in the midst of government spies.
[3]                 Fazaail al-Sahaabah pg 20, Musnad-e-Ahmad vol 3 pg 3 and vol 5 pg 91, Sunan-e-Abi Maajah vol 1 pg 44, Sunan-e-Tirmizi vol 5 pg 321, Mustadrak vol 3 pg 167 and 381, Sharh-e-Muslim vol 16 pg 41, Majmaa al-Zawaaid pg 9 vol 165,182,201, Tohfah al-Ahwazi vol 10 pg 186, Sunan-e-Kabari vol 5 pg 50, Musnad-e-Abi Yaa’laa vol 2 pg 395, Sahih-e-Ibne Habbaan vol 15 pg 411, Mojam al-Awsat vol 5 pg 243, Mojam al-Kabeer vol 99 pg 292, Sharh-e-Nahjul Balaaghah of Ibne Abil Hadeed vol 16 pg 14, Jaame al-Sagheer vol 1 pg 20, Kanz al-Ummaal vol 7 pg 26, Faiz al-Qadeer vol 3 pg 550, Durr al-Mansoor vol 4 pg 262, Al Kaamil vol 2 pg 220, Elal-e-Daar-e-Qutni vol 3 pg 166, Usd al-Ghaabah vol 1 pg 311, Tahzeeb al-Kamaal vol 26 pg 391, Mizaan al-Etedaal vol 2 pg 250, Lisaan al- Mizaan vol 2 pg 157, Al Isaabah vol 1 pg 624, Al Bidaayah wa al-Nihaayah vol 2 pg 61, Manaaqib-e-Khaarazmi vol 2 pg 290, Jawaah al-Mataalib vol 2 pg 199, Yanaab al-Mawaddah vol 2 pg 34, Zakhaair al- Uqba pg 129 etc.
[4]                 Why Imam (a.s.) said something like this is already explained earlier, refer footnote no. 2.
[5]                 Allaamah Amini (r.a.) in the unparalleled book of Al-Ghadeer has mentioned some of the fabricated traditions amounting to 145 in number on the excellence of Abu Bakr and Umar and their companions, all of which have been attributed to the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.a.). While many Sunni scholars have recorded such traditions in their books, highly reputed names like Ibne Adi, Tabaraani, Ibne Hayyaan, Nisaai, Haakim, Daar-e-Qutni, Mohib Tabari, Khateeb-e-Baghdaadi, Ibne Jauzi, Ibne Asaakir, Zahabi, Ibne Abil Hadeed have summarily rejected such traditions
[6]                 All of such traditions concerning the excellence of Abu Bakr and Umar are fabricated so much that great Sunni scholars have accepted that the narrators of the traditions were liars.  For more details refer Al-Ghadeer vol 5 pg 297.
[7]                 Al Ehtijaaj vol 2 pg 245, Behaar al-Anwaar vol 50 pg 80, Dorar al-Akhbaar of Hijaazi pg 372, Musooah-e-Imam-e-Jawaad (a.s.) of Sayyad Qazwini vol 2 pg 403, Munaaziraat fi al-Aqaaid wa al-Ahkaam of Shaikh Abdullah Hasan vol 1 pg 124

Article extracted from: http://www.seratonline.com

8 comments:

This is by far the worst site i have ever come across.u should be ashamed of cursing the companions of Prophet muhammad(Pbh).u could have just written about prophet muhammad's life but instead u chose to insult those who were close to him.It seems u think u know more than him.shias will never change and will never stop spreading poisionus things for the great sahabas of prophet muhammad(pbh).

I am surprised by the adamant nature of some the readers. They are so blind in their prejudice that they even don't see that we are defending and respecting Holy Prophet(s.a.w.a) and we are only against those people who did wrong to his Ahlul Bayt(a.s). Still u people are talking about so called 'great sahabas'. If so called sahabas were very great then why why they were involved in usurping the rights of Ali(a.s.) and Fatima(a.s)??. Were Ali(a.s) and Fatima(a.s) not the closest companions of Prophet(s.aw)??
Dont u have any love for Ali(a.s) and Fatima(a.s)???
We have shown the so called virtues of Umar and Abu Bakr from Sunni sources in our site??.Nowhere we have quoted any reference from any shia sources.
Instead of blaming shias for spreading poisonous things why dont u go and check ur facts???
Truth is told... Whether u believe it or not!!!

this is what u guys are......

http://islamicweb.com/beliefs/cults/shia_answering.htm

by the way i heard that
Shiism was found by a Jewish Rabbi named Abdullah Ibn Saba.
what say....

Answering your allegations on Shi'ism
http://islamicweb.com/beliefs/cults/shia_answering.htm

I am a Shia and here are my answers to your allegations.

• Shi'ite see that Jews are better than Muslims:
Yes some shias do believe this way. And this is not their religious beliefs. This is because what they see in the current world. Because the so called muslims are worst then the Zionist Jews and Christians. The muslims are hypocrites. Tell me what the Khuddam-e-Haramain Sharifain are doing for the occupied lands of Palestine, oppressed and displaced people of Palestine, the oppressed of Myanmar, the oppressed of Iraq, Afghanistan what are they doing. Instead their wives are spending billions of dollars shopping for perfumes in France. All the Arab leaders are hypocrites and they are not muslims according to the Ahaadeeth of our beloved prophet (s). The religious Jews are better then these hypocrite muslims leaders. Atleast some of them are raising their voices for muslims.


• Shia champion and assist Kafirs against Muslims:
NO, we do not consider anybody to be Kafir, unless he hates Ahl-al-bayt of prophet (s) and fights with them. Like Muawiya and Yazid. All the rest of the muslims who love other muslims and are in peace with them we love them all and we help them and believe them Muslims.


• Why Shia curse the wives of the prophet and his companions?
Because some of them were Hypocrites and they hated and fought with the Ahl-al-Bayt of the Prophet (s).


• Contradiction in Shi'ism
There are no Contradictions. There are some difference of opinions but no contradictions.


• Why cussing the Companions (Sahâbah) of The Prophet is very dangerous?
It is very beneficial for ones Imaan to hate those who were at war with the Prophet's holy Family.


• Shia curses the Rightly Guided Khalifas (May Allah be pleased with them)
Three of them were not Rightly Guided (May Allah deal with them with His Justice).


• Shia curses Ali (May Allah be pleased with him)
Wrong.


• Shia curses Hasan son of Ali (May Allah be pleased with them)
Shia curses Aisha, the mother of the Believers (May Allah be pleased with her)
About Hasan (a) NO, About Ayesha YES, some of them do curse her because of her coming out of her home and fighting with Ali (a) in the war of Camel.


• Ali vs. Jesus
Ali is not the Son of God. But he was born in the House of God. He is the vicegerent of Holy Prophet (s) and he is his successor. The one who believes Ali to be God or equal to God or equal of Holy prophet in all the aspects is a KAFIR. We believe in the Tradition of Holy Prophet (s) that says : I and ALI are from one LIGHT. انا و علي من نور واحد


• Shia vs. Ahlu-Bayt
Alh-al-Bayt (a) are the criteria to understand who is right and who is wrong. Search for the Hadith of Amaan. «أهل بيتي أمان لأهل الأرض»

Tell me what more problem you have. Let's try to solve them all.

I thank you for giving me opportunity to clarify my stand once more.

ya ya i already know whtever u say thatz what makes u i wouldn't say kafir but bad muslims and u ddn't say anything about
Shiism was found by a Jewish Rabbi named Abdullah Ibn Saba and plz dnt say it z mith or propoganda about shias.

"About Ayesha YES, some of them do curse her because of her coming out of her home and fighting with Ali (a) in the war of Camel." and that gave u guys right to cursethe wife of prophet muhammad(PBUH) .DId hazrat Ali(RA) ever cursed hazrat aisha(RA) or did he ever asked any one to curse her .can u give me one authentic hadith about it.IF hazrat ali(RA) did not cursed her than who gave u right to do so .

ABOUT ABDULLAH IBN SABA :

Murtaza Askari (A Shia Scholar) has already written a 3 volume book refuting this allegation about Jewish Ibn Saba. It is available in Urdu and English both. Download urdu copy for yourself here :
http://www.shiamultimedia.com/urdubooks4.html

In case you don't like reading, you can listen to this nice lecture by Ammar Naskhwani
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYY3sIVBI6o&feature=plcp

Dear Anonymous,

Here is my reply regarding Ayesha. I don't know about Hazrat Ali (a), if he cursed her or not openly. But Allah (s) has clearly stated in the Holy Quran about the Son of Prophet Nooh (a) that he is not a muslim and does not belong to the Household of Prophet Nooh due to his disobedience of Allah. Same way we Ayesha disobeyed Allah. She fought Ali (a) although Holy Prophet (s) said about ali that الحق مع علي و علي مع حق
Ayesha Fought with HAQQ and so she will be punished for her crime. That's all.

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